<p>Pat,</p>
<p>Berkeley is 5-6 miles away from SF (across the bay) but Evanston shares a border line with Chicago. You removed Northwestern but added Berkeley? College Park is even further from a major city (Wash DC). :confused:</p>
<p>okay this is ridiculous! Northwestern is <em>literally</em> 10 minutes away from Chicago!</p>
<p>Why remove Northwestern from the list? Evanston is right on the Chicago border, there are two train lines than run right downtown, and Evanston sure feels a lot more urban than some of the northern Chicago neighborhoods. I'd say that Northwestern definitely qualifies.</p>
<p>"Its first retail liquor store actually opened in 1984. "</p>
<p>Explains a lot.. I left in 1980. Sorry.</p>
<p>"Evanston is right on the Chicago border"</p>
<p>But Northwestern isn't straddling that border.
I mean it's not far at all. About the same drive time as Sarah Lawrence to NY, I would guess. Although that one road that winds around all over the place is kind of slow, actually. </p>
<p>Suggest provide bus schedule to prove OP mistaken.</p>
<p>Which ones of these are somewhat secluded from the cities and which are actually in the cities? For example, I didn't like that UPenn was right in the city with main roads crossing through the campus. On the other hand, I was surprised to love Harvard and Columbia because their campuses are somewhat secluded so at times you get a suburban feel with the greenery and within five minutes of walking, you can be in the main part of the city</p>
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<p>In that case, you should remove both Harvard and MIT since they are located in Cambridge and not Boston (akin to Evanston and Chicago; in fact, NU is closer to Chicago than Harvard is to Boston).</p>
<p>monydad,</p>
<p>No proof is needed. The OP can remove NU from the list but in doing so, he shouldn't add Berkeley and Maryland. From my experience, it's easier to go from NU to Chicago than from Berkeley to SF. In fact, the BART that connects the East Bay and SF stops running at midnight. Expensive cab is pretty much the only way to get back from the city. If I were in Chicago after midnight, I could still take the CTA back to NU campus. I even rode my bikes to the city from NU many times. I don't know anything about College Park but looking at the map, it doesn't seem easy to go from there to Wash DC.</p>
<p>K&S:</p>
<p>Good point. And I would say that Cambridge feels a lot more suburban to me than Evanston does.</p>
<p>monydad:</p>
<p>Good point about NU not straddling the border, but it's really not very far at all to the city line. I don't know about buses, but both the CTA and Metra trains are fast and easy.</p>
<p>Actually to be fair, Cambridge is very much integrated into Boston. I actually felt it's one of the neighborhoods of Boston. It's a very short ride between Harvard Sq station and Downtown Crossing.</p>
<p>Northwestern "University" is in both Evanston AND Chicago... :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Indeed it is.... But I haven't argued anything to the contrary, now have I? :) </p>
<p>If you are in one of the various schools/programs at Northwestern's Chicago campus, then yes you will be directly in the city - and right downtown at that. Just because most (not all) of the undergraduate classes happen on the Evanston campus, doesn't mean that Northwestern "University" is not also in Chicago.</p>
<p>If we want to be all crazy and technical, then "Chicago" is like a 5 min train ride away from campus.</p>
<p>"Northwestern "University" is in both Evanston AND Chicago... "</p>
<p>By that measure Cornell University is in New York City too. I doubt OP wants to go THAT way..</p>
<p>:..but it's really not very far at all to the city line."</p>
<p>It's not on the city line, it's certainly a drive to get there, and I really don't know how long it takes to get there by bus. The OP has adopted a rather stiff test; obviously intending to limit the field to be exclusive, rather than broadly encompassing. Just provide the relevant bus schedule and I'm sure he'll put it back in. Otherwise, talk is cheap, right?</p>
<p>OP is allowed to draw a line. One has to, someplace, or else it keeps going and going. There's always another school that's one minute past your line, wherever you arbitrarily draw it.</p>
<p>On the other hand, perhaps a modification of criteria would yield different results that people might be happier with. Don't know if OP would be happier though. Depends on the real objective. Perhaps help with defining same more completely would yield different results that people might be happier with.</p>
<p>To me, personally, I might want to know time to get, via best-choice public transportation, to a part of the city I actually wanted to get to. Eg, the major entertainment area. Whether the school was technically in the city or not. And I would make it longer than 15 minutes, because you can wait more than 15 minutes for the bus. With a test like that, perhaps Northwestern would be in and Wash U would be out.</p>
<p>There area some big cities that have like no public transportation, and a student without a car might as well be in an isolated LAC.</p>
<p>But then if you have a car everything's different. So it all depends.</p>
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The OP has adopted a rather stiff test; obviously intending to limit the field to be exclusive, rather than broadly encompassing....OP is allowed to draw a line. One has to, someplace, or else it keeps going and going
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<p>Actually the problem is he adopted a stiff test for certain schools and a more lenient one for others. Yes, "a" line should be drawn--no objection there. Just not two different lines...</p>
<p>monydad:</p>
<p>I'm fine with the OP drawing a line, but why by bus? I doubt anyone at Northwestern takes a bus into Chicago. I doubt anyone in Evanston takes a bus into Chicago. Why would you do that when there are two perfectly good train lines running a few blocks from campus. I can tell you that I, who have never been a fast runner, could run from NW to the Chicago city line (on Howard, I think, but I forget) in about 20 minutes. The train is super fast.</p>
<p>Don't address this to me, address it to OP.</p>
<p>Okay. OP, why a bus? Why not public transporation?</p>
<p>The list with ONE line drawn (inside a city limit) should be:</p>
<p>Boston College (Boston, MA)
Boston University (Boston, MA)
Carnegie Mellon University (Pittsburgh, PA)
Case Western Reserve University (Cleveland, OH)
Columbia University (New York City, NY)
Emory University (Atlanta, GA)
Georgetown University (Washington, DC)
Georgia Institute of Technology * (Atlanta, GA)
George Washington University (Washington, DC)
Johns Hopkins University (Baltimore, MD)
New York University (New York City, NY)
Rice University (Houston, TX)
University of California—Los Angeles * (Los Angeles, CA)
University of California—San Diego * (San Diego, CA)
University of Chicago (Chicago, IL)
University of Miami * (Miami, FL)
University of Pennsylvania (Philadelphia, PA)
University of Southern California (Los Angeles, CA)
University of Pittsburgh * (Pittsburgh, PA)
University of Texas * (Austin, TX)
University of Washington * (Seattle, WA)
Vanderbilt University (Nashville, TN)
Washington University in St. Louis (St. Louis, MO)
Yeshiva University (New York City, NY)</p>
<p>I thought the University of Miami was in Coral Gables? And surely, Austin is not a major metro area.</p>
<p>^^With that said, it can be actually harder (sometime a lot harder without a car) to go to the major entertainment area from some of these schools than, say, from Harvard to many fun places in Boston. For example, it's a lot harder to go to Sunset Blvd/Santa Monica from USC without a car. A lot of these cities don't have good public transits so if you dont have a car, it can be a hassle to go to major hangout areas.</p>
<p>I'm doing my best here to keep to the original parameters. It can be 15 minutes by any means of transportation, doesn't have to be bus. I am factoring in traffic, but not how long it takes to wait for a bus. I also am attempting to factor how long it takes to get to a major point in the city, not just the city limits. From what I've heard, it sounds like NU is further than 15. But if the consensus is that it is shorter, I will re-add it. Also Maryland is borderline, but it close enough for me to count it. So for now, I'm sticking to the current list.</p>
<p>To correct Sam Lee, here's that same list but only with the schools that are in city limits:</p>
<p>Boston University (Boston, MA)
Carnegie Mellon University (Pittsburgh, PA)
Case Western Reserve University (Cleveland, OH)
Columbia University (New York City, NY)
Emory University (Atlanta, GA)
Georgetown University (Washington, DC)
Georgia Institute of Technology * (Atlanta, GA)
George Washington University (Washington, DC)
Johns Hopkins University (Baltimore, MD)
New York University (New York City, NY)
Rice University (Houston, TX)
University of California—Los Angeles * (Los Angeles, CA)
University of Chicago (Chicago, IL)
University of Pennsylvania (Philadelphia, PA)
University of Southern California (Los Angeles, CA)
University of Pittsburgh * (Pittsburgh, PA)
University of Texas * (Austin, TX)
University of Washington * (Seattle, WA)
Vanderbilt University (Nashville, TN)
Washington University in St. Louis (St. Louis, MO)
Yeshiva University (New York City, NY)</p>