<p>Go to You tube to "The Mom Song" William Tell Overture. This is what you did for 18 years, and KP just took over these duties. So, relax and enjoy the extra time you have.</p>
<p>When this came out, all our friends sent this to me with the quote.... "Mar, this is so you!" I/we have had the privelage of being an obsessive mom/dad for 2 boys for a 23 y.o & soon to be 20 y.o (our midshipman)... don't regret any minute of it (and I don't think the boys do either!) We really were not obsessive... we just chose to spend our time playing with our boys... you know, like the rest of you.... quality of life.... GREAT post KPMOM... we know he is in good hands at KP.... he gave up his summer to be a waterfront trainer... I think the midshipman that give up their summers to be DI's, EMT's & everything else are special people.... they have a GREAT new family and we are thankful for that!</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
<p>I have not seen that one - great post! Our S is on a ship in the Persian Gulf. Told us in an email that most of the officers are KP grads. have not heard from him in a while but know he is OK.</p>
<p>What do you experienced parents say about the use of vulgarity and profanity by the DI's directed at plebes during training? Is this what KP means by character-building?</p>
<p>We were at the parade yesterday and overheard one of the DIs using some foul language with the candidates after they marched back to the library area, I don't think he realized that parents were nearby in the parking lot. Who watches to make sure the DIs are not out of control? By the way the plebe parade was excellent and the band impressive after just two weeks together.</p>
<p>Well WWIIVET let me ask you a question. Being that you are a Vet, didn't you get an earful of this type of language from your DI's during training? My father was a WWII USMC vet and a DI. He used this language on his recruits and from time to time I got an earful from him as a young man. He had plenty of character and integrity. My guess is you do too. My son went through this last year and he is a better man today - whatever they did it built up his character. If this is your grandson or granddaughter go see them on Acceptance Day and tell us what you think after you see them pin on their breast insignia. Then take them out for a steak dinner.</p>
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<p>Sorry, not an issue in my mind. Now if every word out of ones mouth is profane then that person needs some training of their own. There are ways to get the point out without using profane language, but you have to remember that the DI's are pretty much all 19, 20, 21 year olds. Believe me, if it gets out of hand someone from the comandants staff will hear and a word or two may be passed on. </p>
<p>Remember, what they are hearing now is nothing compared to what they will hear at the dinner table of the ships they will be on a little over a year. Let's see, at my table we talked about which country had the best hookers, which country had a "donkey show", who's wife was a pain in the rear, and on and on. Wait until you start to hear about those conversations in an email from a ship in the middle of the pacific/atlantic/gulf.</p>
<p>With all due respect: this is not Parris Island, this is officer training. Foul language is conduct unbecoming, and the conduct appears pervasive and unchecked. Educated people, particularly Academy upperclassmen, should have no need to resort to the lowest form of expression.</p>
<p>Sorry WWIIVET. My father later became an officer - trained at Quantico. I would really be surprised if other members of this forum that attended Annapolis, West Point, Air Force Academy, Coast Guard Academy, Quantico, etc. can state that profane language is not used there. I may be wrong, but let's hear what they have to say.</p>
<p>Wow, let's see, the DI's can't touch them, now some people are "uncomfortable" with the yelling and the occasional vulgarity being launched. What next...no raising voices to the "f.n.g." plebe candidates? The Officer training here is a four year process. Indoc is not creating Officers, it is transitioning civilian students to military academy students. This 17 or 18 day Indoc is "Boot Camp on Cliffs Notes" or "boot camp lite," if you will. It is too short a time to create an enlisted service member, let alone an Officer and a Gentlemen. The Officer training is an on going process throughout 4yrs at Kings Point. If a DI feels he must use profanity at one time or another to wake the plebes up to the reality that this is not "mommys house" anymore, then so be it. The DI's are Midshipmen doing a good service, so lets not drive the bus over them because "on occasion" they might use less than the "kings english." (Congratulations to the DI's and the Plebe Candidates on ANOTHER successfull indoc period.)</p>
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<p>With all due respect to you, if you think that foul language is unbecoming, you should come watch the actions of a certain Company Officer at Kings Point when he inspects rooms (and finds a little trash in the trash can). If there's anyone at KP that needs a kick in pants when it comes to "conduct unbecoming", it's that certain CO.</p>
<p>After that, DI's who drop an f-bomb here and there will seem like preschool teachers.</p>
<p>On a sidenote, I remember during my Indoc distinctly noticing the absence of foul language from my DI's and M/N officers. They'll yell and scream at you with everything else they got, but you really do notice the lack of swearing (mostly, there's a little bit here and there). </p>
<p>And, like kp2001 said, ANYTHING at KP is no comparison for what you'll hear at sea, even from the officers.</p>
<p>My father graduated from KP and in over 40 years I have never heard him utter any foul word, ever. He served in the Navy and on merchant ships. Like many things, using foul language is an individual's choice. It is not because others do so. The strength and leadership these midshipmen are gaining\learning will allow them to make that choice. It is not a given that foul language must be used in any situation mentioned.</p>
<p>agreed kprocks!; however, to get worried about a little bit of language is a bit ridiculous. Just continues the "wussification" of America (eg no dodge ball, everybody gets an award, social promotion in school, etc)</p>
<p>I agree with you too kp2001. I am not worried about these good plebe candidates being exposed to foul language. Being exposed to it and using it are two different things. In certain context, foul language can be extremely offensive. Indoc is not one them. It is quite common no matter where you are these days!</p>
<p>It isn't preschool. It's not new. From the writings of George Washington:</p>
<p>The General is sorry to be informed that the foolish, and wicked practice, of profane cursing and swearing (a Vice heretofore little known in an American Army) is growing into fashion; he hopes the officers will, by example, as well as influence, endeavour to check it, and that both they, and the men will reflect, that we can have little hopes of the blessing of Heaven on our Arms, if we insult it by our impiety, and folly; added to this, it is a vice so mean and low, without any temptation, that every man of sense, and character, detests and despises it.</p>
<p>RenoMom...saw your boy last night....he looked great :) :)</p>