<p>The schools have every right to rely on ETS to self-police. The schools should only be held accountable for accurate reporting of their own data. Gee, OT, whatever happpend to the Short Hills principal who said OK for school not to report suspensions?</p>
<p>I agree Hunt. The SATs are a terrible idea for measuring performance. Their only virtue is being better than the alternatives. Grades are easily manipulated and have different meaning at different schools. Recommendations are terribly subjective. There are too many kids for any group of gate keepers too know their abilities personally. So, to be able to have some objective measure, we have the SAT and ACT. Perhaps a system like Borges’ “Babylonian Lottery” would eliminate the cutthroat competition. </p>
<p>Short of that, teaching literature that recoils at the inhumanity of man - Fielding, Dickens, Twain, and their more modern diverse counterparts - should be required for all students heading onto higher learning. The hope would be that maybe some sense of sympathy or empathy for others will sink in and make it more difficult for the go-getters to wantonly trample the dreams of others in the ambition to climb to the top.</p>
<p>Any application now will be reviewed with a “jaundiced eye” because this schools’ integrity is highly questionable.</p>
<p>If I was a parent of a non-cheater I would pursue a full accounting of what was done to handle this.
They needn’t identify the cheaters. It’s a public school, there should be full disclosure.</p>
<p>kay, the kids were suspended at school because of the incident. It is in the school’s record and should have been part of “accurate reporting of their own data.”</p>
<p>Sorry, igloo, and thanks. I didnt realize any of the Great Neckers were suspended. Of course that should be reported. I actually thought most of them had already graduated.</p>
<p>It was ‘double secret probation…’</p>
<p>It’s not clear to me from the many articles I’ve read on this if the students already in college applied with the “cheater scores” or if they applied with scores that they earned on their own. I think I read that ETS cancelled their scores, but it’s not clear when the scores were cancelled.</p>
<p>I read somewhere the school started investigating in Feb. By the time the kids were identified they were probably admitted somewhere. ETS cancels their scores after the admission and the school says nothing in their final report to colleges? What are we trying to protect?</p>
<p>But do we know the whole thing was discovered while the kids were still at Great Neck? The investigation was started in Febrary, but when did it conclude?</p>
<p>While it would be very interesting to learn exactly how all this played out- you are missing the point.
These students (the ones who took the test and the ones who employed a test-taker) should all be punished. They were dishonest. It does not matter which scores were sent in and used by the colleges to accept them.</p>
<p>The colleges they attend should rescind their acceptances on the basis of character -deficiency.
They have the right to pull acceptances for reasons related to any events that occur after acceptances (poor grades, disciplinary issues.) This is a biggie.</p>
<p>Bottom -line: ETS and CB cannot rely on the schools to police these tests.</p>
<p>YDS - Have no idea except they were suspended by the schoo and had their previleges taken away. They had to be still in school to be suspended, I would think.</p>
<p>Knock the NY Post all you want, but when it comes to this sort of thing, it’s better than the Times. It doesn’t name names but it comes pretty close. The article says two of the kids got into Tulane, and Tulane revoked the acceptances. Since we know the CB didn’t tell them, the school probably did–or forcefully suggested that they do so themselves. In any event, Tulane found out. Kudos to Tulane! </p>
<p>[Great</a> Neck SAT cheaters went to party schools, not top-ranked universities - NYPOST.com](<a href=“http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/tappa_kegga_stupid_ipWzeaKIx6Iwn1slrCfXgO]Great”>SAT cheats only aimed for party schools)</p>
<p>I’m sure anyone who knows the kids will recognize them in the video and the fact the post says one was the test taker’s girlfriend means lots of people will know who she is.</p>
<p>Participation in this “cheating rink” demonstrates intiative, creativity, intense desire, and outside the box thinking. Additionally, many of our leaders in politics, business, and the National Basketball Association started out on the wrong side of the law, so don’t be so quick to judge.</p>
<p>Thanks for link, Jonri.
So what has happened with Eschagoff at Emory?
Any criminal indictments for him due to his age?</p>
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<p>Agreed! Considering all their dedication, they should be admitted directly to HBS where great alums like Jeffrey Skilling are great role models!! :D</p>
<p>Well, Stat and cobrat…why don’t we just appoint them to congress, no election. Sounds like they are going to end up there anyway.</p>
<p>Thanks for posting that article, jonri. I guess this statement near the end sums up what many are trying to say on this forum. </p>
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<p>Read more: [Great</a> Neck SAT cheaters went to party schools, not top-ranked universities - NYPOST.com](<a href=“SAT cheats only aimed for party schools”>SAT cheats only aimed for party schools)</p>
<p>"Nassau County DA Kathleen Rice – whose office blew the lid off the scam this week – said cheating on college entrance tests is widespread "</p>
<p>It is surprising to see a statement like this from DA’s office. Other than people they caught, what other evidence supports such a statement?</p>
<p>I would hardly call Baruch a party school.</p>
<p>Texaspg, another article reported that they are investigating a number of other students at other schools in the area for cheating on the SAT. But charges have not been filed yet.</p>