And the Jefferson is not administered by UVa. Those scholarships are awarded by the Jefferson Scholars Foundation. UVa itself awards primarily need based aid. If your EFC says 30-40,000, that is most likely what you will be expected to pay, should your daughter be accepted.
Actually, both wanted to be selected and it is “surprising” (but equally isnt) that they weren’t. Pt being that being highly qualified and competitive for the scholarship is not a guarantee. Far more students are eminently qualified than scholarships exist.
Getting nominated for Jefferson Scholars does not guarantee you an automatic interview. You have to be invited by the committee. The committee in our area invited everybody to the first interview (there were about 15 students) and then narrowed it down for the second (7 were asked back) and third (2 were invited to Virginia). Some committees in other parts of the country did not ask everybody to the first interview despite being nominated.
Blossom (talking sarcastically to you like you’re my younger sister yet trying very hard to remain respectful) - Thanks for the helpful comment! Obviously you have a lot of experience with recruited athletes and must know scores of them as we do. Any tips from your extensive knowledge about D1 hockey recruitment would be much appreciated! [/sarcasm]
We have seen first hand what “off-ice issues” are. We know players who have had their commitment revoked from an Ivy league school because of “off-ice issues”. We know many dozens of players who have committed - most are smart, great kids with great attitudes. But, we also know several very talented ones that struggled just to graduate high school, or were successfully able to hide their drug problem from the coaches, and were still given huge athletic scholarships to schools that they would otherwise have never been able get into. And I’m sure we’ve seen nothing compared to recruitment of male football or basketball players at top schools.
In this particular issue, the college coach told us that they are going to be keeping close tabs on the player, and be in constant contact with their club coach to make sure she has resolved her issues. It’s not bulimia, or a sick parent.
There is no “woe is me” attitude, and no attitude adjustment required. We know that the flip of a coin will decide a lot, and sometimes it will come up in your favor, and sometimes it won’t. Personally I abhor the fact that her race is going to play a part in this and give her an advantage - I think it’s unfair and wish race had absolutely nothing to do with college admittance and aid. Even if you don’t particularly like some of the rules of the game, you still have to play by those rules. But apparently if in an aside comment you complain about the rules you don’t like, you risk others making broad assumptions and passing down judgement.
Thanks, they are on our list. I believe they have a Stamps scholarship for full tuition. One of my daughter’s former teammates and good friend is on their club hockey team.
That’s only 8 out of about 35 or 40, it’s going to be a busy week!
But our sure thing for admission and affordability is living at home and going to UC Irvine
The full tuition award at Rice is for families making under $130,000 with typical assets and circumstances, so maybe it could work if the FA office took the family’s special circumstances into consideration. If they don’t, the 50% of tuition award for families with incomes between $130-$200k probably won’t work.
https://financialaid.rice.edu/thericeinvestment
https://financialaid.rice.edu/cost-attendance
All great points to consider - thank you! I know all to well about Mudders - I work for a company of about 20 people, and 2 of the owners are Mudders, and we’ve had 5 different Mudd grads work for us!
Except the UCI is probably a match, not a safety. For 2018, 75% of applicants in the top GPA range (>= 4.20 UC weighted capped, equivalent to about >= 3.9 unweighted) were admitted. Student has an unweighted 4.0, but is applying for a more competitive major.
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OP, you know that some of the CSU’s have ABET accredited chem E? If you’re really trying to save money, she will definitely get into CSULB and CPP. CSUs are cheaper than UCs. I know barely anything about engineering, but my understanding is that what matters is being ABET accredited. You will save nearly 40k over four years if she attends CSULB rather than UCI.
If you haven’t added it already, I would add the other USC (University of South Carolina). It could be another safety in addition to UCI. With your DS’s NHRP, she qualifies for the Provost award which gives upto $6k + an OOS tuition wavier. This would bring the cost in the $20k range. She also would likely get an additional award (Academic Elite) that would bring a stackable $4k. I think that gets you in your range. They have additional competitive (Stamps, etc) ones that would make it even better.
I worry that her only current safety has her living at home. She has been living away for a few years now, a that is a big change.
I think being a college commuter is a totally different experience to living on campus. I was a commuter, to CSULB in fact. My college experience was that I got a degree and that’s it. My social life revolved around work friends. I did enjoy myself during those years, but I definitely think there is a LOT to be said for living on campus and always having easy access to professors and career services, as well as friends. In no way did I feel invested in my college career and I never took a advantage of any campus services. I simply didn’t realize they existed, because I was too focused on beating the traffic on the 405. The goal was to get on and off campus as quickly as possible. Big oversight on my part, but I think the same is true of many commuters.
Op- best of luck to both of your D’s. Namaste.
I know Arizona has been mentioned, and we have familiarity with it bc S applied. Your D would get the automatic 35k for grades/stats plus the scholars award (they stack), which would only leave you with room/board (less how much $ is left after scholars is applied to tuition). In our experience, for the full-ride competitive merit at a top school (eg Vanderbilt), a kid needs to have done something amazing. Your D IS amazing, but in the selective college world, the kids we know who got those awards did things like start sustainable non-profits, plus win national awards, plus have top grades/scores, plus be leaders in the school - ie, not your normal stellar student with top scores. I don’t see the harm in trying for some, if you have the app $. But, I’d research them very carefully, and move down a bit in the rankings, to where she’d have a better shot at the $.
Unfortunately the real issue has nothing to do with other athletes with issues getting recruiting slots instead of your D. From what I have seen, you have a great high stat kid whose parents didn’t save any money for her college and are now scrambling to find her an affordable college. As a CA resident with excellent subsidized colleges (UCs and CSUs) your D could have gone to pretty much any of them with even a modest amount of college savings along the way. Even putting aside as little as $100 from each paycheck would have yielded from 75K to 100K by the time she graduated from HS and with summer jobs, small student loan, and/or some parent boot tightening would have given her lots of excellent college choices. Now her only in-state option is UCI as a commuter (not ideal to say the least) or OOS merit from colleges that would never been on her radar (WVU, UA-Huntsville, etc.).
Is it easy saving for college, no, but in the end she and you would not be going through all of this heartache and uncertainty when this should be an exciting time in her life, filling-out her college applications, writing meaningful essays, and just enjoying her senior year in high school.
Sounds exactly like me and Cal Poly Pomona back in the early 90’s. My wife went to Pomona college, where I worked, and I had way more college friends there than at CPP. Having her live at home and commute is pretty much the last resort, but better than nothing.
But, it doesn’t matter anymore. We just received an e-mail from Stanford, stating “When considering a college education, you and your family may be concerned about the cost of this investment. At Stanford, we are committed to providing a comprehensive need-based financial aid program that makes it financially possible for admitted students to attend.”
So all she has to do is get accepted to Stanford (piece of cake, right?), and they will make if financially possible for her to attend! Problem solved! There’s no way their definition of “financially possible” and mine could differ…
These numbers are pretty spot on from my experience. I’ve set aside $100/month since birth and my parents have matched with $100/month starting at about age 3, and one year out DS20 has 70K.
What “coulda, shoulda, woulda been” is done. There are many reasons why savings doesn’t happen. Issue at hand is a very talented young woman who is looking for free tuition at a school with an engineering engineering program. I think she’ll have some good options. Great stats, great application, prep school set up for college admissions and involved parents collecting info. Odds on her side
@Eeyore123 thank you for again mentioning University of South Carolina. I did so upstream and didn’t get any rely at all. This student needs to keep a very close eye on the deadline for both admissions and the scholarship application. As I noted upstream, the U of South Carolina scholarship application is a doozie (unless that has changed, but I don’t think it has changed). However, it’s well worth completing if you get one of their very generous OOS merit scholarship awards.