Love the idea of NYU Abu Dhabi

<p>but...my Republican parents have affirmed that they will cut off all financial support if I get in (ha, fat chance anyway) and decide to go, so even if by some act of God I get in I won't be able to attend. Do you think this is fair? I know that it's their money (although it's not like they'd have to pay full freight; we are not wealthy and will qualify for some aid but I still won't qualify for a full ride), but I feel like it's a little unfair for them to be able to dictate where I can and cannot go to college. Is this unfair?</p>

<p>Like, I would understand it if it was really going to kill them financially, but this is just about them hating Muslims indiscriminately and wanting to shield me from the "terrors" of the Middle East.</p>

<p>I don’t think your parent’s intentions are the best. I agree you should be able to choose which schools to go to, and Abu Dhabi is a excellent school.</p>

<p>They may have the wrong idea of what NYU Abu Dhabi is
it is a CAMPUS of a university they would be okay with you attending, yes? It’s not an actual Middle Eastern university (about which I, if I were a parent, would definitely have culture shock concerns). I don’t know how open they are to getting more information, but you could try
good luck!</p>

<p>I think it’s pretty ridiculous that your parents are trying to dictate your college choice. This is about the path you will follow in life, and that should be completely up to you, as long as you don’t break the bank.</p>

<p>A friend of mine is part of the inaugural class of NYU Abu Dhabi. It sounds amazing! She’s an incredible student.</p>

<p>Your parents will be footing travel bills which would be significant, and may be worried about your adjustment to being halfway across the globe.</p>

<p>They can choose what they pay.</p>

<p>I wouldn’t pay for NYU either, talk about overpriced. The Abu Dhabi thing is interesting, but I don’t think it overcomes that (or at least has enough of a track record to do so)</p>

<p>I don’t agree with their decision of not letting you go where you want, but it IS their money and they CAN do what they want with it.</p>

<p>I think it’s reasonable for parents to have a viewpoint. I can understand being hesitant about something as atypical as NYU Abhu Dabhi. I don’t have to necessarily agree with your parents to respect their point of view.</p>

<p>Honestly, there are so many great college options out there that it is probably possible to find something both you and your parents would embrace. That’s going to be the optimum situation on so many levels.</p>

<p>As a practical matter, NYU-AD managed to enroll a shockingly strong first class. Like Ivy League strong. Anyone who gets into Abhu Dabhi will have plenty of great college options.</p>

<p>i am in the abu dhabi airport right now and thought i would chime in. in my experience in the Persian gulf, any U.S. university based in the middle east will have vastly watered down academics tarnishing the US brand. I will chime in in more detai later when I am not in the airport using a internet kiosk.</p>

<p>Didn’t NYU give the first few classes free rides to get top quality kids?</p>

<p>Since NYU does not meet financial need, qualifying for aid does not do much good there for most. In the end they’ll want more from your parents than they can afford and for you and they to take big loans in all probabilty, so they’ll need to buy in.</p>

<p>I think your parents are well within their boundaries. They are, after all, the ones buying the education. They should approve of what they’re buying.</p>

<p>HOWEVER, if they won’t let you go for political reasons, I’m not sure I support that. It would be different if they didn’t feel Abu Dhabi would provide a good education.</p>

<p>If your parents make less than 160000$, then you qualify for a full scholarship. And NYUAD promises to be fantastic school. Outstanding students, professors, and staff; unique experience and environment, if you’re looking for an excellent education, u’ll have everything u need there. I have to say that I don’t agree at all with your parents’ decision, ur parents’ political views shouldn’t be a factor in your college choice!
Why don’t you try to send an e-mail to the school and explain your situation to them, I don’t know it might help.
Good luck!</p>

<p>Now that I am back state side, I can chime in fully. I am a professor teaching at a Persian Gulf university and I can tell you the academics are atrocious in the region. I agree with the parents of the original poster. DO NOT go there. I have been teaching in the region for six years and these are NOT really universities by western standards. The students who attend are not motivated, many struggle with English, not all, but many. Many of the faculty are complicit because if they fail students they would be booted out of the country and lose their very generous tax free expatriate pay packages. There’s tremendous pressure on professors to severely inflate grades. </p>

<p>Most of the academics are diluted to 50% or less of how rigorous they would be at any decent state university or even community college. I had a parent threaten to kill me because as a visitor to his country I should have never failed his daughter. Academia is new in the region and therefore students who are raised with five maids and generous government benefits like no taxes, universal health care, scholarships, free education and guaranteed employment think they own the country and a degree is a right as long as they have enrolled in the university. They treat profs as extensions of their Indian and Filipino household staff. They refuse to read the textbook, do not study and are only there for reasons such as their parents promised they could go to grad school in London or California if they did their degree in their own country. Many of the females increase their marriage prospects if they have a degree and many are simply forced to be there – and it shows. Some went to U.S. universities, failed miserably and their parents brought them back to study locally. Many of the local profs do not have accredited degrees or simply bought their PhD’s degrees from diploma mills. The government has employment quotas for locals so the universities have no choice but to hire citizens as profs.</p>

<p>A degree in the region is also seen as the “it” thing to have such as a new Ferrari or the latest Louis Vuitton bag. And it’s all about keeping up with the Joneses in this region. We had one prof. who quit after three weeks. He came to my office next door and said he wasn’t coming back next semester. He couldn’t believe the level of the students: They would not read any material assigned and were unable to pass any quiz or exam—without cheating, which is a pandemic here. He had a 90% failure rate by the end of the semester and he told me he never had failed any student who tried before coming to the university. </p>

<p>The universities are for profit, meaning they have a significantly different mandate than private universities in the U.S. There are no endowments at these universities, they are owned generally by huge Arab holding companies based in the same country. Places like NYU, Carnegie Mellon, Northwestern, etc are paid huge sums to export these brand names to the Gulf and their consulting Profs are also paid huge sums to help establish the brand in the region. It’s all a hoax. If you want grade nine and grade 10 academics, these universities are for you, if not, avoid them like the plague. If you ask me why I am there, there are generally four or five students every semester who appreciate me working hard to actually educate them. Especially the women and those who are Royal family and never had to work for anything in their lives and after they graduate they never will again. NYU Abu Dhabi has lofty ambitions but so did my university here and all the rest in the GCC. Reality kicks in first semester. Avoid the Persian Gulf and consider some universities in Lebanon if you are interested in the Middle East.</p>

<p>Sorry Ivyleaguer, but this is a very misinformed (and I’m being generous) post coming from a professor. The OP’s talking about NYU-AD, not any school in the middle east. And the description you presented in your post does not apply to NYU at all. NYUAD’s probably the most selective school in the world (2.1% acceptance rate) the students who will be attending the school are from more than 40 countries, and turned down many of the most prestigious colleges in the world to attend, including Ivy league schools and the like. And the professors are top-notch (you can find their bios in the school’s website).
I know that the majority of schools in the middle east are academically weak. But NYU-AD is not. And it’s definitely not for profit; the majority of the students attending received full rides.
Here’s an article where you can find more information about the school: </p>

<p>[News:</a> ‘The World?s Honors College?’ - Inside Higher Ed](<a href=“http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2010/06/21/nyu]News:”>http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2010/06/21/nyu)</p>

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<p>I concede Johnalabiss I do not know much about the school, and never proposed to be an expert about it. That said I am not buying your critique of my post by any stretch of the imagination and my knowledge of how Western institutions function in the GCC. As my knowledge and experience in this area is vast. As I said from my look at it (which was brief from the internet kiosk in Abu Dhabi Airport) NYU Abu Dhabi has lofty ambitions, and my experience was strictly speaking of existing schools in the GCC with Western brands, as these are the ones up and running and relating my experience when U.S. universities form affiliations of some sort with a GCC country. Perhaps you read too much into it. It wasn’t a direct critique of NYUAD.</p>

<p>That said, I am just not willing to trust any affiliations with a U.S brand and a GCC country at this point. Sorry, too many horror stories. I would give the brand a few years to see what the actual word is. Anything on the school at this stage is simply Public Relations. Perhaps I am missing something here but it clearly states on their website that NYUAD will eventually be located on “Saadiyat Island, 500 meters off the coast of Abu Dhabi”. How is that not in the Middle East as you contended in your rebuttal?</p>

<p>If the university is primarily, or only partly located in the UAE then quality control outside of the U.S. will be a factor and much of what I said at least has the potential to apply. Sorry, you are wrong at least on this point. If you look at some of the universities in Qatar for instance you will see similar lofty ambitions. Many talk of multicultural faculty, an intense research mandate, a focus on liberal arts and students with strong backgrounds and being selective, study abroad programs, sharing faculty and students etc but now that they have been there for awhile there is nothing world class about those institutions. That’s my point.</p>

<p>My school, for instance, has students from more than 25 countries as part of the student body and professors with degrees from Berkeley, Columbia, Northwestern, UCLA etc and we have visiting Fulbrighters teaching and studying and have a liberal arts focus enshrined in our mission statement, just as many Western affiliated GCC universities have. One of my students was at Yale. We tried to focus on academics and research and all of our faculty are required to publish. None of this makes our university great or any of the others similar to us in the region. Our university could be interchanged with what is said about NYU abu dhabi here (and so could many others in the region): “Both parties are committed to building a U.S.-style, research-focused educational institution. NYU Abu Dhabi will be a residential research university and a branch of NYU New York, operated consistent with NYU New York’s academic quality and practices.” </p>

<p>Sorry if I had given in the impression that only locals were attending. Local students set the bar at the school and keep the bar low was my argument as does the pressure from administration who would never admit anything publicly and would still regale stories of academic freedom, top notch academics and the high caliber of faculty and students in all campus publicity and even in our contracts. Trust me it’s the foreign students who get frustrated with the low level of the academics first. None of these universities started off with low ambitions however
but great faculty became frustrated and quit, not only because of the students but because of the restrictions on academic freedom, trickled down from the government to the owners of the universities to the president’s cabinet, then to faculty. Research interests that are not “Muslim/Islam friendly” were immediately dismissed for example, and these were the same in the class room. The Danish comics could not be discussed in a lecture environment. That wasn’t what we were told when we were hired however. Gay faculty members were quietly not renewed despite sexual orientation being in the non-discrimination code of conduct. Visiting faculty from our sister U.S university were told to tow the line, as well. Again, none of this went into the brochure.</p>

<p>Thanks for the article link. But it only strengthens my argument. Sorry yes it does, look at this point “the Abu Dhabi government covers financial aid and all other costs associated with the NYU campus, which aspires to an immediate elite status and dwarfs the other American branch campuses in the Gulf in terms of planned scope, size and impact.” Government control already raises red flags with me. If you read what I said about academic freedom above. And my school aspired to be the Harvard of the Gulf. I think it’s you that needs to do more research on U.S brands in the GCC not me. Their mission statements, ambition and make up are analogous. This quote also strengths my argument: “I think one of the biggest difficulties that NYU Abu Dhabi might run into is not necessarily recruiting a very high-caliber initial class, but retaining that class from one year to the next,” Witte said-- Again I said something similar above. So even the experts quoted in the article you shared have similar sentiments to what I said.</p>

<p>The PR is ALWAYS different from reality is what we’ve all learned teaching over there. I do wish NYUAD all the best, but only time will tell how this experiment works out. My post was only a warning relating my experiences and those of my colleagues here and telling any student to be cautious with GCC universities with American affiliations. Nothing more. It was not, to clarify, an indictment against NYUAD itself. Anyone with direct knowledge of GCC universities with American affiliations would perhaps have issued a similar word of caution and perhaps a stronger one.</p>

<p>well, you have given me some food for thought - let me think about your post</p>

<p>thought about it - guess it is too late, my son is already accepted and excited to go and has a full scholarship. as a matter of fact, he is trying to decide where to go for his January three week term; Singapore, India, London or New York. Mmmmmm, I know where I would like him to go and which course, but it has to be his decision</p>

<p>What I really mean Ivyleager, is that my S would be one of your great students - and I think NYUAD has a whole lot of those dedicated students . From reading your posts I have the feeling you are as much of the problem as you describe as the other teachers and university institutions are. And I really get the feeling you hate your job. Sorry about that.</p>

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<p>DDWL

Don’t hate my job at all
. teaching is always a reward
 And I love doing it. And if I didn’t I wouldn’t be doing it
like I said, there are a handful of students who do quite well
But no the GCC is a unique monster for education and these stories are unique to this part of the world
 or at least aren’t nearly as serious as in the U.S. by ANY stretch of the imagination
Education is quite new in the GCC and not in the U.S
Abu Dhabi likes to tightly control the dissemination of information in its Emirate, which includes education unfortunately
Just look at what the government over there is doing with BlackBerry for instance. I do wish your son all the best. </p>

<p>Cheers,</p>