LSE Study Abroad

<p>LSE acceptance is determined by the GPA at USC
<a href=“http://dornsife.usc.edu/uk-london-lse/”>http://dornsife.usc.edu/uk-london-lse/&lt;/a&gt;

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<p>But you have to pay tuition at USC and expense overseas which could be as high as $70K+</p>

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<p>I think it’s cheaper to study in the summer, I have one over there and she goes to King’s college. She takes an easier course so she can have more time to explorer London. She has no interest in hitting the book there. Plus studying in the summer is the best time to experience Europe.</p>

<p>Ok, DrGoogle, that is not true. You don’t have to pay both tuitions. The programs are completely separate. By doing this program you’re taking a leave of absence from your home university, and thus have no affiliation with them during the year and therefore don’t have to pay home tuition. The only costs and fees you have to pay are the fees LSE charges you, which they intentionally price as similar to universities in the US to make this program an attractive option. If they were charging an extra $30,000 beyond US tuition absolutely no one would go on the program.</p>

<p>So this past week I went to LSE and was able to talk with an admissions director in person, and was able to ask him questions about the course. It’s quite comprehensive and I hope this assuages some questions you might have.</p>

<p>Admissions statistics:
“It’s actually probably not as [hard to get in] as you might think. The reason is that in terms of general course admissions, a lot of our applications are self-selecting because a lot of applicants who want to come on the general course basically inquire directly with our office first. And so we’re able to filter out a lot of those students who may not be suitable for the course. … We usually receive about 600 applications and we’ll have about 300 to 350 places on the course.” But he said that since they deal with a lot of applications separately that there’s still a strong element of competition."</p>

<p>Q: What are you looking for in an application?
“First and foremost, academic merit. Your grades are very important. Also as part of your application you have to submit a personal statement and academic references, and essentially we want to know why you want to come study on the general course, what your academic interests and goals are, and if you’ve done any extracurricular type of activity to sort of flesh out your character a bit. And the academic reference in terms of third party opinion. So typically if a student satisfies those broad criteria then usually an offer is made. The main thing you want to think about is to have a look at the courses we offer. We offer most of the undergraduate courses that we have in our repertoire, but there are some that are not available. [And it changes between years as well]. And you have to keep in mind that we do run on a rolling admissions basis, so we’ll open the online application in January. And then once all the places have been taken, that’s when we’ll close the application. Usually it’s a good few months before we’ll actually cut the cycle off, so it’s not a huge rush to get it in.”</p>

<p>Q: I’m looking to apply for economics, what sort of classes are you looking for?
“It depends what courses you want to take. A lot of the courses have pre requisites, so the best thing to check is actually our website. Each course has a kind of summary sheet and that will tell you the course content, and will tell you the requisites as well. Reading these is the best way to find out how challenging a course will be compared to what you’ve already done. A lot of our concept courses can be challenging. Those are our flagship courses so they have to be rigorous. There’s research you can do to inform yourself about what courses you think will be best for you. The other thing is you submit your kind of course options with your application but you can also change your courses once you get at the school, so if you find within the first four weeks that the economics course you are taking is too difficult or not difficult enough then you can apply to change to another course. If you’re taking anything quantitative you need a 3.5/4.0 gpa minimum”.</p>

<p>Q: I’ve read that the number of contact hours is less. Can you expand on that a bit?
“The way it works at LSE, most students take four courses for the year. And they usually run the full academic year. We’ve got courses called half-term courses which are sort of like half year courses, in which case you take two, but for the most part students take four full-year courses. In total you have about 12 to 15 contact hours a week, which includes lectures and classrooms. A lot of the study at LSE is self-directed and self-motivated, which is a little bit different from institutions especially in the US where you get quite a few contact hours. Here we want you to sort of develop your own way of thinking and learning. And the courses demand a lot of independent thought.”</p>

<p>Q: Is it often more application based during the lectures and you’re expected to teach yourself the theory or how does that work?
“It’s a bit of a mix. You’d have to go course by course, and that’s another thing that you can actually find out through the department and course websites or by contacting the department. It is a bit of a culture shift and in the first month or two a lot of our general course students find it can be quite challenging but they do adapt. And being exposed to that difference in the way you think, usually we get pretty good feedback from students as to how they’ve developed over the year.”</p>

<p>Q: Coming from UCLA, some core classes are huge. On average how big are the classes?
“So the way it works is, your lectures, especially for core classes, they tend to be big, so you could have 300, 400 students. But for each of these lectures you get broken down into classes, and the classes are much smaller, they’re about 15 students. So there you have more intimate discussion with your tutors, talking about what has been covered in the lectures, etc. Some courses will be a lot smaller because they’re optional courses within departments, and tend to be a lot smaller than the core courses everyone has to take. So you might have lectures that have maybe 100 students, it just depends on the course selection. But all courses do have classes in addition to lectures. The lectures all have office hours as well, so you can talk with the professors about the material.” He also said that tutors conducting the classes were usually graduate students within the department."</p>

<p>Q) Do most general course students choose to take mainly core courses or mainly elective courses here?
“It’s a mix, a lot of it depends on what they need to complete their programs back home, because most of our students of course will take credit back home. And so it depends what they’ve already done and what they still need to do. And so I would say that the core courses tend to be more popular. They have similar curriculums and they can get those credits transferred more easily. With the options courses sometimes it takes a bit more effort to get the courses recognized by their home institutions.”</p>

<p>Q: Do you usually have difficulties at all getting colleges to accept credit?
“Not typically. It depends on the courses you have selected a lot, and we do encourage our students to have discussions with their home institution before they take the course. We don’t actually involve ourselves in that particular process. It’s all completely at the discretion of the home institution. We sort of assist in terms of providing details to help them make their decisions but in terms of influencing the actual decisions we don’t have a say. But we get 350 students, a lot of them from American institutions and we typically can resolve most issues that arise.”</p>

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<p>Q: Since one course is a full year of study, does that cover the amount of material that would be in two semester-long classes in the US?
“Yeah we definitely tell home institutions that a full year at LSE is equivalent to a full year at your home institution. You might cover more topics in terms of the disciplines you study because you’re doing more courses per year, but we’re pretty thorough in terms of the study that we do. We do stress the workload equivalence.”</p>

<p>“The general course is our most flexible study option because you’re able to take classes from any department.”</p>

<p>Q: Is there any other advice that you think is salient?
“No I mean the general course is fantastic in terms of the student experience, students have really a good time here. It’s a full year study abroad program; a lot of institutions offer semester long opportunities but the whole year goes by faster than you think, so we always tell students to try to make the most of everything while you’re here. The general course offers a pretty good social calendar, there are a lot of discounts that you get as a student here.”</p>

<p>Q: Is it a difficult adjustment for students to come and have all their finals in the summer at the end of the year?
“It can be part of the culture shift. The material that you learn throughout the year is formative for the exam, so everything that you go through in your lectures and classrooms are there to prepare you for that exam. So as long as you sort of engage yourself and go to all the classes and lectures you should be all right. In terms of the transcript that you receive, you receive one grade for your final exam and also a grade for your classroom participation, so you receive two grades. And what a lot of institutions will do is they will take a sort of medium between those two grades as your credit grade that you take back home, so you have a little bit of a safety net in most situations because if you have a bad exam, it’s sort of buffered by the classroom grade. This is something you want to talk about in detail with your home institution.”</p>

<p>Kyle, it may not be true to your school but it’s true for USC. That’s why it’s on their website.</p>

<p>I also didn’t read your very long post but I think you assume the additional expense is for tuition. It’s Not. It’s for housing. But for Usc and some other colleges that I’ve read you have to pay the home school tuition which could be expensive if you are full pay.</p>

<p>Ok I finally read your very long post. You mentioned take a leave from your home school. That maybe why you don’t have to pay for tuition. Will the credits transfer back to your home school?</p>

<p>Yes I see the USC webpage with their pricing. I’m not sure how you’re doing your math…</p>

<p>LSE charges £16874 for general course tuition (<a href=“http://www.lse.ac.uk/intranet/students/moneyMatters/tableOfFees/2014-15%20Fees%20Table.pdf”>http://www.lse.ac.uk/intranet/students/moneyMatters/tableOfFees/2014-15%20Fees%20Table.pdf&lt;/a&gt;) and recommends budgeting £12000 for all living costs except travel to the university from the U.S. (<a href=“http://www.lse.ac.uk/study/generalCourse/prospectiveStudents/financialMatters/financialMatters.aspx”>http://www.lse.ac.uk/study/generalCourse/prospectiveStudents/financialMatters/financialMatters.aspx&lt;/a&gt;). That adds up to £28874, or $46942 using today’s exchange rate. Everything else that USC appears to charge goes straight to USC, I suppose that’s why it’s a greedy private school. </p>

<p>To Sylvester33, ask the USC study abroad office if they allow you to do a travel abroad program not coordinated by USC. For example, UCLA doesn’t charge anything to study abroad on a non-UC program, and gives guidelines as to how course credits can transfer (<a href=“http://ieo.ucla.edu/nonucprograms”>http://ieo.ucla.edu/nonucprograms&lt;/a&gt;).</p>

<p>Hope this helps.
Kyle</p>

for future reference if anyone stumbles on this thread, i had to pay my home school’s tuition but they paid LSE for me so i only had to pay one tuition. i think some kids might have had to pay both their home school and LSE tuition. some only paid LSE. it varies.
also, LSE is pretty hard but also really rewarding and you’ll definitely still have time to travel around london, the UK, and europe. they know study abroad kids want to travel around, so they even set up school subsidized trips for LSE students to places like paris, the netherlands, belgium, scotland, and around england. google “lse general course social calendar” if you wanna find out more about the trips. lse is right in the middle of all the important stuff in the heart of london, you needn’t worry about not seeing everything. campus is legit like 10-15 minutes from houses of parliament, london eye, covent garden, trafalgar square, city of london etc etc

kyle barron, i had to pay my home school even while i was away, their rationale was that if you dont pay we’ll basically consider you dis-enrolled. but like i said, it varies from school to school