<p>Im an international student, and I was wondering if admissions officers are able to check on the status of academic achievements outside of school?</p>
<p>Well who's going to check on some obscure club to see if it exists or not?</p>
<p>Lying is pathetic. If you do it, god...mercy be with you.</p>
<p>If it's an obscure club, they won't check, but listing it also won't help you. If it's big enough to help you, it's big enough to check, and the risks are too great. So from a purely practical standpoint, why bother? And of course, the ethics involved in lying are clear.</p>
<p>It surprises me colleges haven't instituted some sort of simple, fail-proof system for this, such as requiring an EC councelor at the school to confirm via signature activities the applicant has asked to be included on their app. </p>
<p>As long as kids can lie about or misrepresent their activities, those who don't will end up having all their efforts undermined and de-valued. This just shouldn't be happening, yet obviously, it is.</p>
<p>although it's unethical, it seems as if it's hard to check if you're international</p>
<p>for example,if u listed 10 hrs a week, but u only spent 5 hrs a week...how do u check?
if you were just a member and u listed president, and the faculty sponsor happen to leave the club, who can respond?</p>
<p>but i guess those that can't be checked are stuff that are small that wouldn't tip the balance anyway.</p>
<p>My guess is if you claim a leadership position, you open yourself up for confirmation by the schools you apply to. Two of the three schools who offered scholarships to my D Did ask about her leadership position thru the GC office at her school.</p>
<p>The regional officers have relationships with many of the high school counselors in their region. They visit the schools, and the counselors cultivate this relationship. It's not that hard to verify these things. Phone calls, and now emails, are not uncommon.</p>
<p>With international students, it's not so common, but adcoms do have a "nose" for these things. If an EC is important enough to impress an adcom, it can probably be verified fairly easily. Since so few internationals can be accepted, I wouldn't be surprised if they do find ways to check out any questionable information.</p>
<p>Honestly speaking...adding 3-4 activities to a list that you actually haven't done isn't going to help your application much if at all (it may actually hurt you for appearing like you're trying to pad your app, which ironically is exactly what you're doing, except worse).</p>
<p>Pretty much anything big enough to be significant without writing an essay on it can be checked either by phoning your counselor or online for awards etc. If you are caught lying, the consequences are not friendly.</p>
<p>So pretty much what Chedva said.</p>
<p>dont lie.
If they find out you lied
About something stupid or anything
they will rescind your diploma if you have already graduated.
or expel you
and that means your grad school will rescind your diploma if you went there
and that means
you are ****ed for life
Dont lie.</p>
<p>This has been discussed many times, even recently...</p>
<p>^i know!! there's a new thread about this topic every week.</p>
<p>anyways, i agree with frrrrph. it's a great idea to employ an "EC counselor" or two at every college--they could work in the admissions department, and there sole duty would be to verify applicant's ECs.</p>
<p>I highly doubt they'll rescind your diploma, probably only get in trouble if you're caught before admissions. I mean, rescinding the diploma? For lying on ECs? I think the whole MIT thing really messed with peoples' heads. Even if you lie on ethnicity I doubt they'll rescind a diploma. You'd have to lie on like...a criminal record or something for that hahahaha.</p>
<p>I imagine it would be pretty difficult for colleges to check on international students' ECs, though not impossible. I would suggest not doing it, however, because it's not worth it. On the one hand there's the chance you will be caught. On the other hand there's the issue that it's simply not right. If you had children someday, would you want them to think of you as a liar ?</p>
<p>one thing I'm worried is that in my high school overseas, where I used to go to before I came to the US, their club is very student-run. meaning the teachers don't know who the club officers are, and the students them selves are responsible. Sure, the school has a sheet that has a list of all presidents, but that's it. So if you "didn't" lie, and colleges check that up, they may mistake you for lying... lol.</p>
<p>ok listen to me, cuz im a reliable source, ive been around a college counselor for about two years cuz i took sat classes, and the owner was a college counselor.</p>
<p>ok, so its ok to lie on college applications. u can write that u won numerous awards, as long as their not incredible awards, like a sony essay contest, or a Dell science contest. if u lie and say u won those, yur screwed. but if u say i won a korean essay contest, or something small, then its ok. but remember, awards and extracurriculars don't really help u AT ALL unless its something good like the Dell award, usually u lie cuz u have nothing to write and u just wanna fill the spaces and not leave them blank, don't really help u at all. and u can also lie on yur grades. remember u send in yur transcripts after they have received yur application and accepted u. so theoretically, u can lie about yur grades, cuz they EXPECT u to tell the truth. so lets say u had 5 A's and one C. but instead u write that u got 6 A's. that will help u get into a good school. however, they do random checks, i think it was about 2-10 percent of all applicants. its a random decision and they check to see if yur application is accurate and u haven't lied. when they select u, they may call the school and ask for a transcript, and if they found out u lied, then yur going to a community college, no choice man. so to answer yur question, u can lie and make yur application look great, however, there are consequences if u are picked to be searched. and i recommend u not do it, unless u have nothing to lose.</p>
<p>It always start with the small lie, then a bigger lie. Pretty soon, you'll be so accustomed to it it becomes part of you, you no longer see lying as wrong on its own, it's just a means to an end. Do you really want to become like this?</p>
<p>As an admissions counselor, I can tell you that we develop a sense of when this is happening. For example, some high school transcripts include activities and leadership positions ... a mismatch would be noted. Reference letters usually include information about a student's activities. Again, if student information and school info does not jive, that becomes problematic. We do call guidance counselors. </p>
<p>The penalty at my school for filing a fraudulent app? Not only is the application withdrawn, but the student also may not apply for any future semester here. A notation is added to his or her record. </p>
<p>In addition, schools standardly notify the high school about fraudulent apps, and the high school then notifies all of the other schools to which the student has applied.</p>
<p>Bottom line? It is absolutely not worth the risk.</p>
<p>lying is ouch i guess...</p>