<p>You guys are stupid thinking you can get away with this</p>
<p>Absolutely true story, two years ago I heard of this student from my highschool at MIT who was a sophmore when it was finally revealed he lied about some award he received on his app. Don't know what happened to him</p>
<p>I heard of someone being denied their diploma.
not sure if it is true, though.</p>
<p>killaerone, if they fabricated a recommendation or did some SERIOUS "retouching" on their application, then I wouldn't be surprised if you're right and they didn't get their diploma. That sounds about right, actually.</p>
<p>I was wondering, for leadership positions, could you pretty much get away with saying you are president or vice president of diversity clubs such as Black Student Coalition or something like Yoga Club. Its not as risky as saying you are captain of the math team or lead editor of the newspaper</p>
<p>Stretching the truth is more like it on apps. Why not? Get a competitve edge, if it does require stretching the truth so let it be.</p>
<p>Oh dear...</p>
<p>Will you really get into X college because you were president of Yoga Club?
Unless you went out and spread the joy that is yoga to underpriveleged kids with terminal illnesses, I doubt it.</p>
<p>And if you're VP or President of 324782 clubs then they might get suspicious. And quality > quantity, EC wise. Being a president of a club that does a lot of stuff and is an actual commitment is far better than being a president in a club that does nothing.</p>
<p>just be yourself. how hard is that? it seems like lots of people can<code>t follow life</code>s basic rules.</p>
<p>Well I have been the treasurer of one my clubs for two years, but next year I'm moving to the Ambassador position. Should I just put like... Treasurer (Grade 10, 11) Ambassador (Grade 12)? If only I could just write Treasurer for three years... that would be much easier.</p>
<p>This is actually a dilemma in another club too. I was Historian for two years but next year I am Secretary.</p>
<p>i don't know if a friend writing recs is considerred cheating, but one of my friend had his girlfriend write his rec to colombia and colombia supposely really liked that rec. can't anyone write your recs as long as it's not written by you?</p>
<p>I'm pretty sure that colleges DO NOT LIKE friends writing recs</p>
<p>Why mess around with the system? Just have teachers write them</p>
<p>Well at Dartmouth you will have to have a peer evaluation anyways</p>
<p>If you're thinking about cheating, Chicago is not the school for you.</p>
<p>Exactly.
Sure you can exaggerate somewhat... but it probably won't make or break the decision. like "oh she volunteered 10 more hours, she'll get in versus person B"
but if you lie about top notch stuff, such as Siemens westinghouse.... then you're in trouble.</p>
<p>All I have to say is this: Cheating may seem really tempting to all you applicants, but you're going to have a crap on your conscience (unless you don't have one) if you end up getting in to one of your top colleges. Don't even stretch the truth. It's so much better to know that you actually got in on your own merits rather than some faked version of yourself. </p>
<p>And by the way, I had absolutely no leadership on my application. I faked no officer clubs (actually, I didn't even put down that I was in any clubs), and I left several lines on the activity section of the Common App blank. Still got into Yale and Brown PLME. I actually think no leadership is better than phony leadership, like being a useless officer in a club.</p>
<p>Still cant you not write a paragraph describing each of your leadership skills (which you made up), in esesnce, you make it of great importance and value?</p>
<p>I am not going to cheat, but I think writing about what you do gives colleges an impression.</p>
<p>I know that in my school, there are a couple clubs with co-Presidents (Future Tailgaters of America, for example) and both people put President on their apps...it would be more honest to put co-president, but they dont..so, who is the college to say that the club doesnt have two presidents...if it actually does.. i suppose the college, when they separate applicants into high schools, would know if there are two conflicting officers, but Ive never heard of anyone getting called out on it. And people from my school would definitely do it.</p>
<p>In order to impress the adcoms the lie will have to be about something big and important, in which case the claimed achievement will be checked and the lie will be easily uncovered.</p>
<p>You could probably get away with a lie about something insignificant. But why bother? Insignificant achievements won't help your app at all. </p>
<p>So you can't get away with a big lie, and a little lie won't help. Which leaves you with no good reason to lie at all.</p>
<p>Coureur, you voiced what I was thinking/trying to say. When we're all wrapped up in writing applications and filling out forms, the difference between a minor position and a major position, or a few more hours, can feel like such huge differences. Everybody (especially myself) needs to step back at those times and remember that it probably doesn't matter.</p>
<p>I am not talking about hours, I was wondering if you wrote that you were Vice President for you club when you were in fact only a member. And I understand people say its not that important. But what if you took it to the next level and wrote a paragraph about what you did as a leader and how it impacted the school within that club. Doesn't that then make a significant difference? And by clubs, I am talking about small kind of clubs such as a Yoga club or Frisbee Club.</p>