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<p>You say more about yourself than anyone else with this statement.</p>
<p>In addition to being dishonest, it would be foolish for me to do this. If I stated I had X experience, then I would be expected to be competent in it. My incompetence would be immediately apparent, and this would bring me (and my patients) nothing but trouble. </p>
<p>There would be no benefit to me to lie on my resume.</p>
<p>This is kind of sick imo. How religous of them to lie. </p>
<p>I would never lie about my religion and it strikes me odd that anyone would lie. </p>
<p>I have never put anything on my resume’ that was not true. </p>
<p>What I find is that there are certain people that go through life with a lot of gray areas. It is pretty black and white for me.</p>
<p>I agree with Gourmetmom that the young woman is playing with fire. This is the kind of lie which could result in her being expelled by the college. </p>
<p>As for fabricating things on your resume: just wait until your employer says that everyone at work is going to go through a background investigation.</p>
<p>Thanks so much for all of the responses. It was the student who started off the lie, thinking she would never get the scholarship anyway so she just put it down. It is a Lutheran based school and the student is of another Protestant religion. Her Dad stated well at least we are not Catholic saying we are Lutheran. I didn’t even want to go there telling him that Catholicism and Lutheran are probably a lot closer religously than other Protestant religions. I am glad also to see how many others have good morals and feel this is wrong. I am thinking she starts off this way with a lie, what is going to stop her in the future. It isn’t like the parents are that financially strapped either. She may be the only one in the family to be going to college, her younger sister may not go the college route as her grades are very poor. But that is a moot point, it is more the ethics of the whole thing that has me concerned as does how often the family professes at being such good Christians. We have had many discussions over the years over my religion, Catholicism vs Protestant religions and you don’t even want to get me started.</p>
<p>lammb66, this is just another example that shows that religion and religious affiliation has little or nothing to do with ethics. The nation is FULL of people who profess to be “such good Christians” who are ethically-challenged, to say the least. Not to mention the vast majority who pay no attention to the actual teachings of Jesus, insofar as they are known, and look to the Old Testament and to Paul to justify their endorsement of violence and hatred. It never ceases to amaze me.</p>
<p>And no, all adults do not cheat and lie on their resumes.</p>
<p>I hope that this girl spends a number of years experiencing a very uncomfortable fear that her lie will be found out, and that it will teach her to be truthful in the future.</p>
<p>Hmmm, so it was a Lutheran college? Then I am suprised, too, that they did not ask for a reference or a letter from the girl’s pastor. I recently applied to teach part-time at a local Lutheran college, and they asked for the name, address, and phone number of my minister right on the application!</p>
<p>And if anyone’s keeping score: I don’t lie on my resume, either. I also don’t think that a “vast majority of Christians” pay no attention to Jesus - it’s probably just a very vocal minority.</p>
<p>scout, if they go to war, they are doing so in direct opposition to Jesus’ core teaching. Similarly, if they support the death penalty. And so forth. </p>
<p>Not just a vocal minority.</p>
<p>I don’t want to derail this thread, but again - I know a lot of Christians, a lot of church-going Christians, and in that limited sample size I’d say that the vast majority of those are anti-death penalty and pro-science. Many are also anti-war. The problem may be semantic: I don’t equate “christian” with “evangelical.”</p>
<p>Maybe I just hang out with the Christian left, though. Oh, and the vast majority of the Christians I know wouldn’t lie on their resumes, either!</p>
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<p>There are a lot of differences between “Lutheran” colleges. Start with the fact that the major Lutheran bodies in the United States barely acknowledge each others’ existence. And colleges nominally affiliated with the largest Lutheran body (ELCA) vary all over the map on how “Lutheran” they are, from those where Lutheranism is emphasized and is very much part of the daily life of many students (e.g. Wartburg) to those where you have to dig very deeply into the website to verify that the school still retains its official affiliation (e.g. Gettysburg) - and everywhere in between.</p>
<p>So the fact that what is standard practice at one “Lutheran” college is not at another surprises me not at all.</p>
<p>Can they have this religion now? People change…</p>
<p>I agree it’s very unethical by any means.</p>
<p>I’d be backing away from this friendship. If someone would lie about religion to get $1000 in scholarship money, what other boundaries do they cross?</p>
<p>As a pastor, I just had to fill out a reference form for one of my youth who applied to a conservative Christian college (my denomination is liberal). The form asked questions about his profession of the Christian faith and I answered quite honestly. No, I haven’t heard him profess the “sinner’s prayer” but he lives out his faith in a myriad of ways and I gave examples. I wasn’t about to lie for him.</p>
<p>I find that it is really strange that no proof is required by the college since it would be very easy to confirm the claim with a letter. Maybe the college doesn’t care. My nieces got money from their LAC for a family member who had attended; my grandfather, their great-grandfather, had attended but did not graduate in the early 1900’s. I found copies of a literary magazine to which he had contributed in our attic so we know he attended but he died before my parents were married. I think it is terrible that your acquaintance lied but if membership is important to that college, the college should require some proof, either a letter from the church or a statement of faith.</p>
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<p>Indeed, the fact that this kind of casual dishonesty takes place makes you wonder why they don’t ask for verification … But maybe the college doesn’t like to imagine such measures are necessary! Maybe they’re comfortable with “the honor system.” </p>
<p>I’m very glad so many posters pounced on the person who averred (way back in post #11) that “many if not all” adults fabricate elements of their work history on resumes. I do wish if people felt that way they would keep it to themselves, rather than sharing that on a site where so many young people might see it!</p>
<p>In some cases, I love people who lie on their resumes. Years ago my H got an excellent job (He was their #2 choice) because #1 had lied on his resume. Thanks! 
Fast forward 20 years and Mr. #1 got a position where he was working with young people. Now that establishment has a restraining order against him because he was propositioning the kids. Seems that lies beget lies beget really bad behavior.</p>
<p>No, “many if not all” people do NOT lie on their resumes. I, too, would steer clear of this friend from now on. No way are they truthful in all areas of their lives, and they can not be trusted.</p>
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<p>Seriously? Anyone who lies on their resume is going to become a pedophile? Thanks for the addition to my presentation on logical fallacies.</p>
<p>Lying on the resume is wrong.
Propositioning children is wrong.
But the one does not cause the other.</p>
<p>for the record my H is very black and white too. However we place a lot of pride in our principals, and standards. I dont respect anyone who lies in this way.
My friends D knew she could not get into a certain major/school in a college. But she could in another. so she applied to the other never intending to go. Got in, took a gap year, then transferred as planned. Is this unethical or good game playing?. I guess it depends on who you ask. My D applied outright, with better stats, didnt get in. She goes to another college now, the other kids with less stats is in. To this day I wonder, is this the gray area?</p>
<p>Maybe Im confused but I don’t see what’s unethical in that story? How did she go as a transfer when she never went anywhere as a freshman?</p>
<p>Consolation – The “sinner’s prayer” is a prayer that some more conservative churches expect that someone will have prayed at the moment he/she is “saved”. It basically says, “I am a sinner. I am not worthy of salvation. I recognize that Christ died for my sins. I accept Christ as my personal savior” – with an understanding that at that point one has been forgiven and is “saved”. Most mainstream moderate or liberal churches do not believe that this is a requirement to become a Christian.</p>
<p>I have never, nor would I ever, lie on a resume. I believe that the vast majority of people I know wouldn’t do it either. As I’ve said before, it depends on what company you keep.</p>
<p>OP - there is an old phrase my parents used to tell me, that I share with my kids… show me your friends and I’ll tell you who you are.</p>
<p>You are judged by the company you keep, and if you surround yourself with people of questionable ethics you will either be assumed to be like that, or you will become like that.</p>