Let’s try this again haha
I’m ED M&T. Hispanic from Colorado. Very involved in cryptocurrency community. Was the perfect choice.
@Burrito12 I dont think this thread is necessary. You can just post along with the rest of the Penn applicants in the main thread, unless you got a question that would pertain just to M&T, which you don’t seem to have. In this case there is nothing special to warrant a special thread for a subsection of Penn applicants. There is a reason admins have repeatedly shut down these threads. @skieurope
I read that M&T increases your chances of admission into SEAS or even Wharton. Is there any data to support that?
If it’s true, I would imagine it’s because M & T applicants get two extra essays to help themselves stand out. And because only fairly strong candidates would bother to apply in the first place.
Thoughts? So nervous…on the one hand, a decision day video would be so great to have, but in reality, four out of five of those videos will be of rejection. (That ~20% ED acceptance rate is made significantly higher since legacies and recruited athletes are encouraged/required to apply during ED.) So in other words, even with a 4.0, median SAT’s, great EC’s, Recs, URM status, female STEM, acceptance is an incredible long shot. Especially for M&T, and even for fallback SEAS or Wharton…
@FireLordAzula Based on M&TSI’s stats two years ago, 11 got into M&T, 4 into Wharton, 5 into SEAS. I suppose most of them applied to M&T, while some got into the second choice. But the website says the second-choice has nothing to do with the first choice. With that being said, being turned down by the program does not hurt your application to the second-choice. The RTAs told me nearly half of the 2020 Class are accepted during ED.
M&T applicants are self-selecting ( meaning they are some of the most qualified applicants to begin with), so that’s probably creating an illusion or a false narrative. I don’t think there is any data that suggests that applying to M&T bumps your chances.
@ChipotleTacos - thanks. What’s M&TSI and RTA’s? I confess I’m kind of new at this and don’t really know a whole lot of the jargon. Also does it say 11 got in to M&T out of how many? And the 4 and 5 that got into Wharton & SEAS, has they applied to M&T? I feel like I’m
Missing something crucial to being able to understand. Hope you don’t mind clarifying…
@FireLordAzula It’s a summer camp sponsored by M&T. RTAs are like Teaching Assistants, but they are all M&T20. There are around 50 kids per year, possible 70-80% applied ED to Penn that year. So I guess it should be 11 out of 30+. I heard that at least 2-4 of them getting either into Wharton or SEAS applied to M&T firsthand, but the exact number is unknown,
What have you guys heard is the admission rate for M&T
The hard part about M&T is that its extremely self-selective. Still, I’d guesstimate an acceptance rate of 1-2%, given the fact that Berkeley’s MET acceptance rate (publicly available) is 3% and was just introduced last year.
@Burrito12 I spoke with an AO on campus during M&TSI. She said there are about 1000+ apply per year. With around 250 ED applicants, they accept approximately 25. So overall, it could be around 5%.
@ChipotleTacos - Thanks for sharing! That’s good news. If the ED M&T admission rate has historically been around 10% those are double the odds of the RD acceptance rate. (Of course the application pool is likely twice as strong as well.) I applied to Jerome Fischer since it couldn’t hurt, and I figured the essays would probably help. I would be ecstatic, amazed and overjoyed getting into my fallback, which I consider a reach. But an actual M&T admission is actually beyond my ability to imagine at this point. Just a few more days until we can all quit trying to imagine. (And may God help the applicants who wind up deferred.)
Does anyone know anything about the Jerome Fisher program’s apparent lack of ethnic diversity? I noticed (in group pictures) that there are no students who visually appear to be an underrepresented minority. I wonder if this is because M&T gets fewer qualified applicants of color in the first place, or whether the selection criteria inherently tends to favor criteria more common among Asian, Indian or white students?
I am not at all trying to play the race card, nor stir the pot. But I am curious if there are any ideas on why the program appears not to have a single, solitary currently enrolled student who is either black, Native American or Latino. On the one hand, what an honor it would be to get accepted based solely and exclusively on merit. On the other, if merit is assessed primarily by means not commonly accessible for underrepresented minorities (such as extensive AP, IB Competitive Debate, chess, SAT subject tests, with piano or violin) - that might partially explain the dearth of ethnic diversity in the program.
No one wants to see businesses making the kind of mistakes like Unilever did with that Dove commercial! Not when 1/3 of the US population (and by proxy US consumers) are black or Hispanic. Do you think M&T admissions has noticed their lack of URM’s - and being one may help in admissions? Or do you think they noticed, but don’t intend to take steps to change it?
I think M&T really doesn’t take URM status into account as much. They really need people who can do the work, hence the high international percentage (as over 2.5 billion people exist in India and China) as opposed to the hundreds of millions in the USA.
You must be right. Hopefully they find and accept a few diverse applicants to enroll who can handle the work. Still a shame there haven’t been any in recent years though. The US is such a vast global consumer market - consequently, on the business side, having representation regarding such a large swath of the US URM population would seem prudent. M&T certainly already has a lock on any Asian & European-American aspects of commerce with their current demographics. Hopefully they obtain more ethnic and even gender diversity this admission cycle. Even if it’s not me, I hope they’ll bring in at least one or two. Seems like a conspicuous and glaring oversight to omit all but such a small handful of ethnicities.
How are your results?
Rejected 
@Hopeful2022 You?
I applied to M&T ED first choice and Wharton not ED second choice. This is my decision:
Thank you for your application to the University of Pennsylvania. After careful deliberation, the selection committee has deferred a decision on your application to the Wharton School until March 28, 2018. Because your application will now be considered under the terms of our Regular Decision Program, you are released from the binding agreement of Early Decision.
We recognize the genuine interest for Penn you conveyed by applying under our Early Decision Program. As we continue to evaluate your candidacy over the coming months, we will not lose sight of that interest. Your application showed promise, and we will look forward to reviewing it in the context of Regular Decision.
Rejected from M&T?
Yes, me too.