macbook good enough?

<p>“Actually, XP has been significantly updated thrice since its release. The most recent update was 3 months ago. I’m using Leopard right now, and I see absolutely nothing that’s so amazing about it that I wouldn’t have in XP.”</p>

<p>I like the seamless integration of 32-bit and 64-bit products and drivers. A real Unix console. And some pretty amazing power savings on laptops.</p>

<p>“Not to mention the fact that when Microsoft showed a “new” operating system to a group of people, stating that it wasn’t Vista, 90% of the people thought it good. Turns out it was actually Vista; it just didn’t look like it. A lot of the Vista hate just stems from its poor reputation. Many people hate Vista because they want to, not because there’s something concretely bad about it that they don’t like.”</p>

<p>Viewing a video of someone using an OS and actually using it are two different things. I’ve been using it for a few days and got so frustrated with it that I installed a Windows XP Virtual Machine on it so that I could get things done. Part of my problems are applications that don’t run on Vista x64 or that haven’t been tested on Vista. But they’re selling x64 in stores now so I would have expected better integration on the OS. Some of Microsoft’s own development tools have issues with Vista and 32-bit/64-bit.</p>

<p>“That’s not to say there aren’t problems with Vista; I wouldn’t use it myself. Then again, I would prefer not to use any version of Windows.”</p>

<p>Well, we all have to work in the real world.</p>

<p>totally agreeing with that.</p>

<p>

Most people aren’t concerned with these things. There’s a difference between someone who wants to just browse the web and someone who wants to use a command line. One of the bigger differences is that the first group makes up most of the market.</p>

<p>As for having a real Unix console, the OS X terminal has significant deficiencies which are extremely frustrating. One example is the use of a case-insensitive filesystem, which drives me crazy to no end. There’s an option during the OS X install to use a case-sensitive filesystem, but of course, that would introduce incompatibilities with many OS X applications, which is what usually happens if you attempt to stray from Apple’s narrowly defined consumer experience.</p>

<p>Another example is the lack of adherence to the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The combination of capital letters in common directory names with a case-insensitive filesystem leads to tab completion nightmares.</p>

<p>

You wouldn’t happen to be talking about the MacBook Air would you? After all, it doesn’t matter how long the battery lasts, seeing as you can’t remove it. And if it dies, you get to send it in to Apple to have them replace it, for an expensive fee, of course.</p>

<p>

Same here, most people aren’t developing, and they definitely aren’t using virtual machines or worrying about the number of bits per instruction in their processors. They’re perfectly happy with 32-bit Vista.</p>

<p>

In the real world, most users don’t care about the things on which you’re basing your computer purchasing decisions.</p>

<p>Apple is doing well because of their supreme marketing. That’s what draws most people to their computers. They like the advertisements and think the Macs look good.</p>

<p>"Most people aren’t concerned with these things. There’s a difference between someone who wants to just browse the web and someone who wants to use a command line. One of the bigger differences is that the first group makes up most of the market.</p>

<p>As for having a real Unix console, the OS X terminal has significant deficiencies which are extremely frustrating. One example is the use of a a case-insensitive filesystem, which drives me crazy to no end. There’s an option during the OS X install to use a case-sensitive filesystem, but of course, that would introduce incompatibilities with many OS X applications, which is what usually happens if you attempt to stray from Apple’s narrowly defined consumer experience.</p>

<p>Another example is the lack of adherence to the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The combination of capital letters in common directory names with a case-insensitive filesystem leads to tab completion nightmares."</p>

<p>What drives me nuts the most is the direction of the slash. The other stuff is relatively easy to live with. On VMS, things are different enough so that I don’t get things mixed up. HP-UX, AIX, Solaris, Linux and Mac OSX I find easy to navigate.</p>

<p>“Same here, most people aren’t developing, and they definitely aren’t using virtual machines or worrying about the number of bits per instruction in their processors.”</p>

<p>I’ve always been surprised at the number of people (or companies) that by Pac Pros. Apparently there are a lot of content people out there that need the 4 - 32 GB of RAM that you can stuff into these machines.</p>

<p>A few years ago, there was the consideration of selling applications as virtual machine appliances. VMWare provided the tools to do this and a library of available VM appliances. I don’t know how popular this is today but it does make for an interesting way to deliver applications with the simplicity of not requiring the end user to install the program. It also provides compartmentalization of applications.</p>

<p>The IT trends that I’ve seen are moving towards virtualization as it reduces hardware and system management costs and Goldman Sachs has produced a report talking about a huge push to cut costs in 2009 by IT departments.</p>

<p>As far as bitness goes, it’s already an issue because Vista x64 machines are in consumer stores.</p>

<p>“You wouldn’t happen to be talking about the MacBook Air would you? After all, it doesn’t matter how long the battery lasts, seeing as you can’t remove it. And if it dies, you get to send it in to Apple to have them replace it, for an expensive fee, of course.”</p>

<p>No, I think that the MacBook Air is a dud of a product. I do work with someone that has one and he loves it but I think that he prefers his Mac Pro for real work. The current MacBook Air is a throwaway. It uses the previous generation Intel chip and makes too many compromises for style and elegance. The battery difference is in the operating system.</p>

<p>“In the real world, most users don’t care about the things on which you’re basing your computer purchasing decisions.”</p>

<p>They already have to make decisions based on bitness.</p>

<p>“Apple is doing well because of their supreme marketing. That’s what draws most people to their computers. They like the advertisements and think the Macs look good.”</p>

<p>Apple has good marketing but they also have a good product. I have one of their $3,000 laptops and it’s like driving a luxury car.</p>

<p>

That’s for work. I’m referring to the consumer market. In the commercial market, there are people paid to make purchasing decisions.</p>

<p>

Virtualization seems to still be limited to the commercial market though. I don’t see it being necessary in the consumer market. A big reason for using virtualization is to provide backwards compatibility, which businesses need. Apple has proven that consumers don’t care about backwards compatibility, though. They regularly drop support for old standards/features with no repercussions.</p>

<p>

Most popular consumer applications support 64-bit now. Ironically, one of the most popular Windows applications that didn’t support 64-bit until a year after Vista’s release was iTunes. But now that’s been solved, I’m not sure if there are any common applications that don’t support 64-bit.</p>

<p>

Not exactly. It’s the integration between the OS and the hardware. Ever tried setting up a Hackintosh? It works horribly, and rightly so. Apple supports only Apple hardware; it makes hardware support much simpler than it is in Windows.</p>

<p>

It’s not like 32-bit isn’t available anyway. There are plenty of computers with 32-bit Windows available, at your local big box electronics store or online.</p>

<p>

My point is that with something as complex as electronics, the quality of the product isn’t nearly as important as the marketing when it comes to sales. Apple manages to grab the consumer’s attention and hold it in a way that no other OEM seems to be able to do. The Vista disaster contributed greatly to their success as well, of course.</p>

<p>Just graduated from CSOM at Boston College..used a Macbook.</p>

<p>

</p>

<p>to be honest with you, I used to ridicule Vista ** without ever trying it** because I heard all the bad reputation, unstability, etc etc. Then a month ago, I told myself “how can I bash something that I’ve never tried”. So I got myself a copy of vista and installed it. Turned out Vista is not that bad. I haven’t got a single crash, compatibility error or whatnot. And I actually like the UI better than my old XP (loved aero). </p>

<p>So regarding your point, I’d say “no, vista doesn’t suck”</p>

<p>That’s for work. I’m referring to the consumer market. In the commercial market, there are people paid to make purchasing decisions.</p>

<p>“Virtualization seems to still be limited to the commercial market
though. I don’t see it being necessary in the consumer market. A big
reason for using virtualization is to provide backwards compatibility,
which businesses need. Apple has proven that consumers don’t care
about backwards compatibility, though. They regularly drop support for
old standards/features with no repercussions.”</p>

<p>Everyone I know with Intel Macs runs Windows with either Boot Camp or
Virtualization.</p>

<p>“Most popular consumer applications support 64-bit now. Ironically, one
of the most popular Windows applications that didn’t support 64-bit
until a year after Vista’s release was iTunes. But now that’s been
solved, I’m not sure if there are any common applications that don’t
support 64-bit.”</p>

<p>Palm Desktop.
Office 2000 (our Corporate standard)
Cisco VPN
MSYS (there’s a patch to get it to work and I’m doing some hacking to
try to get it to work).
Various Visual Studio/Platform SDK/SDK tools. I got my first BSOD
on the new machine trying to install Microsoft’s own tools on Vista
x64.
Antivirus software. The salesperson specifically asked me what office
and antivirus programs I was planning to use and apparently had a
list of applications that didn’t run or didn’t install on x64.
Embedded Flash, Java in 64-bit browsers. </p>

<p>I’ve been on x64 since 2004 and read planetamd64 which is one of
the better places to deal with x64 issues (drivers, hardware,
software).</p>

<p>“Most popular consumer applications support 64-bit now. Ironically, one
of the most popular Windows applications that didn’t support 64-bit
until a year after Vista’s release was iTunes. But now that’s been
solved, I’m not sure if there are any common applications that don’t
support 64-bit.”</p>

<p>iTunes did support x64 in one particular version and then it broke
in the next release. A little while after that, you could install
it but not all of the pieces worked. I’ve been running iTunes on
x64 for several years.</p>

<p>“Not exactly. It’s the integration between the OS and the hardware.
Ever tried setting up a Hackintosh? It works horribly, and rightly
so. Apple supports only Apple hardware; it makes hardware support
much simpler than it is in Windows.”</p>

<p>I try to stay on the legal side of software licenses.</p>

<p>What does the issue of Hackintosh have to do with battery life?
Did someone run a benchmark of a Hackintosh system?</p>

<p>“It’s not like 32-bit isn’t available anyway. There are plenty of
computers with 32-bit Windows available, at your local big box
electronics store or online.”</p>

<p>When I started with x64, there were no consumer systems available
with x64, and it was an incredible pain to install it and get it
working because OEMs didn’t provide drivers. So you had to either
hack or find drivers to get the hardware to work. Or buy another
card or device which had a driver available.</p>

<p>That x64 is in stores is a huge sea-change from 2003. 4 GB of
laptop memory runs about $100 retail these days. Computers with
Vista should come with at least 2 GB of RAM. When 4 GB has better
$/GB (maybe we’re already there), there will be a push to drop
in 4 GB of RAM and there’s your impetus for going to x64. I can
see people that consider themselves power-users going to x64
just because they want 4 GB of RAM in a consumer model instead
of the 2 GB budget model.</p>

<p>“My point is that with something as complex as electronics, the quality
of the product isn’t nearly as important as the marketing when it
comes to sales. Apple manages to grab the consumer’s attention and
hold it in a way that no other OEM seems to be able to do. The Vista
disaster contributed greatly to their success as well, of course.”</p>

<p>In terms of quality, I’d say that Apple’s service quality beats the
major OEM’s hands down. In terms of marketing I’d say that Apple
doesn’t spend a lot of money on it. Especially compared to Microsoft,
HP and Intel. Their web site is awful and that’s the portal to the
company’s products. Where they shine is word-of-mouth recommendations.
I think that Garmin is another electronic company that gets a lot of
sales based on personal recommendations.</p>

<p>In the example of Toyota, their quality produces personal
recommendations. Yes, Consumer Reports or other ratings companies can
get you interested but personal recommendations carry more weight if
the personal recommendation is deemed credible. And I think that this
is true for Apple too.</p>

<p>

I’m talking about virtualization for backwards compatibility, not virtualization for running a completely different OS. For example, Apple dropped support for OS 9 virtualization with Leopard.</p>

<p>

Most of those programs are for the commercial sector. Once again, I’m referring to consumers.</p>

<p>

That must be a problem specific to your system, then. According to the [iTunes</a> page](<a href=“http://www.apple.com/itunes/download/]iTunes”>iTunes - Apple), 64-bit Vista is supported.</p>

<p>

It was a rhetorical question.</p>

<p>

The problems with Hackintoshes display how closely OS X is integrated with Mac hardware, meaning that optimization of things such as battery life are very easy to do, in comparison to Windows.</p>

<p>

By that time, 64-bit should be well supported. If a 64-bit OS comes preinstalled, drivers aren’t going to be an issue. The only issue is 3rd party software, in which support for 64-bit software is being added all the time.</p>

<p>

Maybe not, but their advertisements are nevertheless some of the best in existence.</p>

<p>

Apple’s? There isn’t anything particularly wrong with it that makes it worse than any of the other companies’.</p>

<p>

This does play a big part, but it’s augmented by their physical stores and the halo effect from the iPod/iPhone. It’s very easy for a salesperson at an Apple store to get someone who walks in to buy an iPod or iPhone to walk out with a MacBook as well. So they don’t have to get the customer into the store; the iPod/iPhone does that.</p>

<p>“I’m talking about virtualization for backwards compatibility, not
virtualization for running a completely different OS. For example,
Apple dropped support for OS 9 virtualization with Leopard.”</p>

<p>Virtualization is a consumer product now. At least for Macs.</p>

<p>Quote:
Palm Desktop.
Office 2000 (our Corporate standard)
Cisco VPN
MSYS (there’s a patch to get it to work and I’m doing some hacking to
try to get it to work).
Various Visual Studio/Platform SDK/SDK tools. I got my first BSOD
on the new machine trying to install Microsoft’s own tools on Vista
x64.
Antivirus software. The salesperson specifically asked me what office
and antivirus programs I was planning to use and apparently had a
list of applications that didn’t run or didn’t install on x64.
Embedded Flash, Java in 64-bit browsers.</p>

<p>“Most of those programs are for the commercial sector. Once again, I’m
referring to consumers.”</p>

<p>Palm Desktop is a consumer product.
Microsoft Office, especially the student and home edition is a
consumer product.
There are colleges that use VPN for network access.
The Visual Studio Express editions are not commercial software. And Microsoft has a student program where students can get Microsoft’s development tools and an operating system for free.
I think that it’s pretty safe to say that consumers use Antivirus programs.
I also think that it’s safe to say that Java and Flash are used in consumer and student applications.</p>

<p>“That must be a problem specific to your system, then. According to the
iTunes page, 64-bit Vista is supported.”</p>

<p>I don’t understand why you said that. I said that I’ve been running
iTunes on x64 for several years.</p>

<p>“The problems with Hackintoshes display how closely OS X is integrated
with Mac hardware, meaning that optimization of things such as battery
life are very easy to do, in comparison to Windows.”</p>

<p>Not really. The processors, video cards, disks, chipsets can be the
same. As far as incompatibility goes, you can have that on Windows
systems too where a manufacturer doesn’t provide a driver for your
particular piece of hardware and you have to go with a generic driver.</p>

<p>If you have some specific aspect of power management that you want to
discuss as to why it works better on a Mac, I’d be happy to ask my
hardware engineering guys about it. But my estimate is that antivirus,
DRM and expensive graphics overhead contributes significantly to power
costs. Waving your hand about incompatibility doesn’t make your case.</p>

<p>“By that time, 64-bit should be well supported. If a 64-bit OS comes
preinstalled, drivers aren’t going to be an issue. The only issue is
3rd party software, in which support for 64-bit software is being
added all the time.”</p>

<p>Microsoft provided x64 betas in 2003. Since that time, driver support
has improvedb but they really took their time in pushing hardware
companies for that support. That’s what happens when you have
excellent software engineering but poor product management and
marketing.</p>

<p>My point earlier is that Apple already has seamless integration and
they’ve had it for a while. Despite Microsoft’s multiyear lead in
getting out an x64 operating system.</p>

<p>“Apple’s? There isn’t anything particularly wrong with it that makes it
worse than any of the other companies’.”</p>

<p>It’s slow. Sometimes to the point of being unusable.</p>

<p>“This does play a big part, but it’s augmented by their physical
stores and the halo effect from the iPod/iPhone. It’s very easy
for a salesperson at an Apple store to get someone who walks in
to buy an iPod or iPhone to walk out with a MacBook as well.
So they don’t have to get the customer into the store; the
iPod/iPhone does that.”</p>

<p>Apple has around 270 stores. That is dwarfed by the number of
stores that sell PCs.</p>

<p>The Apple salespeople are very low-key. They don’t get someone to buy
something. They offer to provide help or information. From what I can
see, most people come in with the intention to buy something, to get
help from the Genius Bar, to get information on a product, to use the
free internet access or to hang out (for teens and bored husbands
waiting for their wives to finish shopping).</p>

<p>"to be honest with you, I used to ridicule Vista without ever trying it because I heard all the bad reputation, unstability, etc etc. Then a month ago, I told myself “how can I bash something that I’ve never tried”. So I got myself a copy of vista and installed it. Turned out Vista is not that bad. I haven’t got a single crash, compatibility error or whatnot. And I actually like the UI better than my old XP (loved aero).</p>

<p>So regarding your point, I’d say “no, vista doesn’t suck”"</p>

<p>i’ve used vista for more than 6 months, and not with a bad hardware-core 2 duo 2ghz, 2gb ram, etc. i loved the new UI as well, and the new search function, the gadgets and all were really practical. yet, it really sucked because it crashed almost once every week, and freezed almost every day, although i didn’t use any stupid programs. so yeah, vista sucks, at least my experience led to that.</p>

<p>i’ve been using vista for over a year. first laptop had issues and the entire line was recalled, was going to be gone over a month so got a new laptop for the wait.
haven’t had any problems on the new laptop, or the old one once i got it back with a new motherboard. both running amd dual cores, 3gb ram. only non microsoft programs are itunes, safari, utorrent, vlc and aim.</p>

<p>

Only to support Windows, not to support legacy Mac OS’s.</p>

<p>

But it’s much more commonly used for in a business environment.

Not Office 2000.

And those colleges tell you not to buy 64-bit Vista in that case. Besides, many people just buy a computer for college through the college.

So I’m guessing the OS they’re giving away for free with the development tools is going to be 32-bit?

And common anti-virus software does support 64-bit. Some of the most common (and bad) anti-virus companies, such as Norton and McAfee, support 64-bit, as well as more competent anti-virus software, such as Kaspersky’s products.

Java’s available in 64-bit. Flash is available if you use 32-bit Firefox, so I’m not sure that’s such a big deal

Because you said this:

I thought that meant you were having problems with iTunes in x64.</p>

<p>

I know, that’s why there are driver problems in Windows. The OEMs are primarily hardware companies. Software that they create is rarely good.</p>

<p>

  1. Anti-virus isn’t necessary; it’s just supposed to alleviate everyone’s unfounded fears about viruses.
  2. There’s a lot more DRM in Apple’s software than Microsoft’s software. DRM is a pervasive component of the Apple software ecosystem. iTMS is a perfect example of that.
  3. Nobody is forced to buy a computer with an expensive graphics card. Just because Apple doesn’t offer a good graphics card on the MacBooks doesn’t mean every other laptop in that price range shouldn’t offer one either.</p>

<p>

It’s not just the hardware companies though. The hardware companies were not inclined to move because of all the legacy software dependent on 32-bit OS’s. I’m sure that the backwards compatibility in XP x64 was not perfect.</p>

<p>

Yes, they do. It’s part of their narrowly defined experience. They control every aspect of the hardware and software. Microsoft moves much slower because it has to support a much wider array of hardware and software.</p>

<p>

That probably has something to do with their MobileMe service failures following the release of the 3G iPhone.</p>

<p>

The quantity doesn’t matter, [when</a> the Apple stores have their RDF](<a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/27/business/27apple.html?pagewanted=all]when”>http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/27/business/27apple.html?pagewanted=all).</p>

<p>

Exactly - the RDF does it’s thing without any help from the salespeople. In fact, they contribute to the RDF with that kind of sales pitch. It helps to provide a stark contrast between the Apple stores and Best Buy or Circuit City.</p>

<p>“Only to support Windows, not to support legacy Mac OS’s.”</p>

<p>If they ever did that, then it was before my time. Virtual Machines to
run Windows have been around for quite some time including PowerPC.</p>

<p>“But it’s much more commonly used for in a business environment.”</p>

<p>Do you have some evidence for this? I’m on my fourth Palm Desktop
product, the Garmin iQue 3600 and this device seems to me to be much
more of a consumer product than a business product. Most of the people
that I know that used to use Palm products bought them for their own
personal use. Of course most of those people have moved on to the
iPhone.</p>

<p>“Not Office 2000.”</p>

<p>Yes, Office 2000. It’s not currently for sale but consumers certainly
did buy the product and would like to move them from their old
machines to their new machines to save the $400 for a new version.</p>

<p>“And those colleges tell you not to buy 64-bit Vista in that case.
Besides, many people just buy a computer for college through the
college.”</p>

<p>They might. But then again parents and students may just buy a
computer for their kids without checking limitations at their
colleges.</p>

<p>Cisco won’t be providing support for VPN x64. They have a new product
in beta that will support Vista x64 but they are currently waiting for
Microsoft to fix a few bugs before they can get the product working.</p>

<p>“So I’m guessing the OS they’re giving away for free with the
development tools is going to be 32-bit?”</p>

<p>I’m not sure if it’s 32-bit or 64-bit. I would guess both as they
are the old Server Operating Systems which have been around for
many years. This program is for verified students. Anyone can
download the Express Editions of the development tools. And they
come in 32-bit, 64-bit x86 and 64-bit itanium.</p>

<p>“And common anti-virus software does support 64-bit. Some of the most
common (and bad) anti-virus companies, such as Norton and McAfee,
support 64-bit, as well as more competent anti-virus software, such as
Kaspersky’s products.”</p>

<p>The salesperson at the store told me that not all antivirus products
support x64. One company that I looked at in 2004 provided x64 support
but only under an enterprise license.</p>

<p>“Java’s available in 64-bit. Flash is available if you use 32-bit
Firefox, so I’m not sure that’s such a big deal”</p>

<p>To use Java in a browser, you need a small browser plugin piece.
Users have asked Sun to do this piece for many years. They have
declined to do so to this point. I downloaded the source code to try
to build it myself and found that they require some proprietary and
expensive tools to build it.</p>

<p>I use 64-bit Firefox when I’m on Windows x64. It’s annoying to
drop down to 32-bit when I need something that requires Java or
Flash. Internet Explorer has the same problem. Microsoft shipped
it five years ago but hasn’t fixed the plugin problem since. I
know how to fix it but I haven’t had the time to put the project
together.</p>

<p>“I thought that meant you were having problems with iTunes in x64.”</p>

<p>Well, you must have missed the next sentence:</p>

<p><i’ve been=“” running=“” itunes=“” on=“” x64=“” for=“” several=“” years.=“”></i’ve></p>

<p>“I know, that’s why there are driver problems in Windows. The OEMs are
primarily hardware companies. Software that they create is rarely
good.”</p>

<p>Microsoft should do a better job certifying the drivers.</p>

<p>“1. Anti-virus isn’t necessary; it’s just supposed to alleviate
everyone’s unfounded fears about viruses.”</p>

<p>That’s a ridiculous statement.</p>

<p>“2. There’s a lot more DRM in Apple’s software than Microsoft’s
software. DRM is a pervasive component of the Apple software
ecosystem. iTMS is a perfect example of that.”</p>

<p>Then they’re doing DRM the right way with respect to performance.</p>

<p>“3. Nobody is forced to buy a computer with an expensive graphics
card. Just because Apple doesn’t offer a good graphics card on the
MacBooks doesn’t mean every other laptop in that price range shouldn’t
offer one either.”</p>

<p>My point was that the hardware graphics requirements for Vista are
higher than they are for MacBooks thereby requiring a higher level
of graphics performance from the hardware or resulting in subpar
performance. Which contributes to power consumption.</p>

<p>“It’s not just the hardware companies though. The hardware companies
were not inclined to move because of all the legacy software dependent
on 32-bit OS’s. I’m sure that the backwards compatibility in XP x64
was not perfect.”</p>

<p>Many companies had tracking websites on x64 software and hardware
support. HP, AMD and Microsoft maintained these sited. AMD wanted x64
to succeed because they had it and Intel didn’t and they wanted the
competitive edge. The engineers at Microsoft did it because they are
engineers. But there wasn’t enough marketing and product management
effort from Microsoft to make it happen smoothly.</p>

<p>XP x64 explicitly breaks backward compatibility in several ways.</p>

<p>“Yes, they do. It’s part of their narrowly defined experience. They
control every aspect of the hardware and software. Microsoft moves
much slower because it has to support a much wider array of hardware
and software.”</p>

<p>They control the software platform and they are free to break
backwards compatibility. In fact, they did. Hardware is one issue
that’s solved with product management, marketing and leadership. They
have control over the operating system. Apple came up with a number of
technical solutions to achieve seamless integration with 32-bit and
64-bit Mac OSX. They even provided a nice compatibility solution for
PowerPC applications. We did this at Digital Equipment Corporation
when we had to support VAX while migrating over to Alpha.</p>

<p>“That probably has something to do with their MobileMe service failures
following the release of the 3G iPhone.”</p>

<p>Their site completely dies when they do a product launch. And it’s
frequently slow during the day. I’ve been using their site for years
and it’s consistently slow.</p>

<p>“The quantity doesn’t matter, when the Apple stores have their RDF.”</p>

<p>You brought up their stores. I think that the stores help but they
are very sparse throughout the country.</p>

<p>From your article: But the secret formula may be the personal
attention paid to customers by sales staff.</p>

<p>John Mauldin (financial consultant) wrote about his experience with
his cell-phone company. He was spending about $300 a month for service
yet he had to send one of his staff down to the store to stand in line
for an hour only to get non-service. She convinced him to get an
iPhone. What absolutely floored him was the level of service at the
Apple Store. And he’s looking at replacing the computers in his office
with Apple systems.</p>

<p>“Exactly - the RDF does it’s thing without any help from the
salespeople. In fact, they contribute to the RDF with that kind of
sales pitch. It helps to provide a stark contrast between the Apple
stores and Best Buy or Circuit City.”</p>

<p>What’s funny is that Best Buy sells Apple products. The only reason
for buying Apple at Best Buy is if you don’t have an Apple Store
nearby as the Best Buy service for Apple products is the same as
the Best Buy service for all of their other products.</p>

<p>Everyone raves about OS X Leopard, but I personally like XP better. I actually even prefer Vista to OS X, if you can believe that. I just hate the way OS X treats its users like little kids who need animations to understand what exactly happened when they double clicked on an icon. But I guess that for people who need to buy Apple to avoid the virus issue, this kind of treatment is warranted. Really, how dumb do you have to be to download an executable or a zip and then run it, especially without virus checking it first? The last time I remember having a serious virus issue was on Windows 98 about 10-ish years ago.
And for those wondering, I’ve used the new OS X Leopard on my friend’s computer, but it failed to impress me. I did not like the dock, I found the finder annoying and non-intuitive, and I hated the fact that every single time my pointer moved off-screen, either all windows would minimize, or the computer would go to screensaver mode. Safari was way crappier than IE…don’t know why my friend still hasn’t downloaded Firefox or Opera. I didn’t get a chance to run any memory-consuming software on her computer, so I don’t know how the Leopard works with that, but I used OS X Tiger on the iMac extensively last summer while working at a design camp. It froze more than once daily while running Photoshop and InDesign simultaneously, which it’s supposedly designed specifically for. Even my crappy school computers that run on Windows 2000 didn’t freeze on Photoshop and InDesign that often.
In short, I don’t understand why people rave about the OS X, and it seems I never will.</p>

<p>I recently bought a MacBook Pro 15" because I felt OS X Leopard was an overall better operating system than Vista with fewer compatibility issues. I was reluctant to make this purchase because of all the idiots I see buying Macs right now for the wrong reasons and also because of my personal hatred of marketing/advertising in general, but using the computer so far has been great. It is an amazing machine capable of doing whatever you need it to do, as it is able to boot Windows or Ubuntu Linux in addition to Leopard. I paid $2200 total, including tax and the 3-year protection plan, and I’ve heard that the support for Apple computers is truly outstanding, in case of a hardware malfunction or other similarly annoying problem. I think Apples are great to have for college, since Leopard has an awesome built-in calendar (iCal) and recording software (GarageBand) while also booting up in about 20 seconds. Overall, I think it was a great purchase and would highly recommend it.</p>