<p>The gist of this thread is correct in that it is always up to receiving institution to evaluate transfer courses and determine acceptance of such. As for Sticker Shock's comment regarding Vanderbilt's acceptance of such classes, that was S's experience. He had two classes taken at our local cc which were accepted for credit. After the student had matriculated to Vanderbilt, cc credits were no longer accepted in A&S. However, one of D's friends who is in engineering took gen ed classes at our cc last summer and had them transferred in. That illustrates that things can be evaluated differently even within the same university.
In my state, high school faculty who teach dual enrollment classes must meet SACS criteria for teaching the class, which is typically a masters degree with 18 hours in the teaching discipline. As for quality, like any institution, this varies widely.
The situation in Kentucky is very problematic for a variety of reasons, most of them political. The legislature has mandated that enrollments will double by 2020, yet expects institutions to accomplish this with lower state funding. To play the funding game means focusing on measures that garner dollars; hence the lack of interest in transfer students. IMO, the gulf in education is widening and it all comes down to money. I have seen a trend in public higher ed away from measuring quality outcomes and towards quantity measures. I'm not saying you can't get a quality education at a public university, but in many situations it is easier to get one at a private institution.</p>
<p>What I have read about has many schools saying pick one- either use it for HS or use it for college, you do not get both. Some states have specific programs, like WA's Running Start which is supposed to allow thos credits to count.</p>
<p>Privates are an entirely different ball game, they can do whatever they please</p>
<p>Dual-enrollment in Michigan means that students go to the CC campus & take courses with regular CC students --- they get credit on their high school transcripts --- AND they don't have to pay. The caveat is, they must be unable to take that course at their own school (that is, not offered - some schools will allow students to take something if they can't fit everything in - like in order to be able to take a language & orchestra). They can't do it just because they don't like the teacher at the high school.</p>
<p>One interesting thing is that a local district is starting an "early college" program. Students will take high school & college courses & graduate in 4 years with both a high school & an associates degree. This is not intended for top students, though. It is supposed to help keep those at risk of dropping out, interested in school.</p>
<p>Our state system accepts "early college" the credits (a program for strong students), but students enroll as sophs orjrs - - which can mean they are not eligible for on campus housing and other frosh services. The early college students are treated as upper level transfer students, not what all parents want and not something most consider when enrolling their 9th graders in the "gifted" early college programs.</p>
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This is an interesting point. As most kids taking these courses are likely to have far exceeded their h.s. graduation requirements, & won't need these courses to "count" toward h.s., I wonder how flexible the high schools will be in dropping the course from the h.s. transcript & taking the grad out of the GPA calculation. </p>
<p>2V: I'm sure there is wide variation in what any college accepts, based on each program. Do the kids in your area actually take the dual enrollment classes on the CC campus? In our case, the courses are taught at the h.s. by h.s. faculty. They are all masters-prepared & approved (and monitored) by the university that runs the program.</p>
<p>SS - while we have students who attend classes on our campus (which is what S did by taking classes at night when he couldn't get hs schedule to work out; hs and cc both had to approve this), many are enrolled as dual credit students with hs teacher who meets cc credentials teaching the class. In fact, at the hs my children attended, the AP English class was eligible for dual credit and a little over half took advantage of this option. While my kids didn't do that, those that know they will attend public universities think this is an easier option for 6 hours of English composition than gambling everything on the AP test. Passing the AP test is a big deal at our hs (sad to say). With tuition going up every year and cc tuition being cheaper than state university, most parents see this as a "deal."</p>
<p>DD took a dual credit course and was given a transcript from her CC. Her four year university accepted it as an elective course.</p>
<p>Depends on the college. DS received college credits for CC classes taken under dual enrollment.</p>
<p>Minnesota has some interesting options. One is post secondary enrollment option (PSEO). The HS student can enroll for classes at a CC,LAC,or State university. These are at no cost for the student and the state pays for it. These credits fulfill HS classes in math, English, science, etc. The credits can also be used to transfer to colleges. Then there are College In the Schools (CIS) classes. Our HS has English Comp, Advanced Anatomy and Physiology, Spanish and maybe something else I can't remember. The credits are given through U of MN and I have never heard of them not being accepted at any college. These are all what we consider dual enrollment.</p>
<p>I honestly think that, maybe, a CC student should just only transfer over to a University which has a transfer articulation agreement with the student's CC. In a way, that makes sense. But, then, in another way it would somewhat limit the student's choices a might bit. Shoot!</p>
<p>With dual enrollment classes, I have heard (do not take my word like gospel, y'all) that if one takes a dual enrollment class. And, if it is a class that the high school does not offer at all. Then, sometimes it might transfer over. The whole thing would sorta depend on having proof.</p>
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<p>If they appear on a high school transcript for credit then many schools will not accept them. As stated above, my D's school and Rice for two.</p>
<p>My graduating senior (tomorrow!) took a dual enrollment class with our CC. She got hs credit and a grade on her report card. She will also get a transcript from the CC. I might add - "Calculus" is a different class than "AP Calculus", also taught at her high school.
We figured (since she was taking 4 other AP's) it would be far easier to gamble that a college would take the credit than the chance of her taking and passing the AP test.
If her college doesn't give her credit - my heart is not really broken - I got her to take Calculus and if she has to take it over again in college she won't be freaked out by it. Except that I would be out the $440.</p>
<p>Curm...perhaps it does depend on the school but there are many who will take them. D1 took those classes her senior yr in HS to fulfill HS English/science/math requirements and then was given college credit at her LAC when she entered as a freshman. The credits were from the the U of MN. Many of the LACs that she looked at were very generous in accepting them. D2 also has some and already knows that the U of Wisconsin will also transfer/accept those credits.</p>
<p>I'm sure that's true. Just pointing out the obvious YMMV and that's that some schools wouldn't give any credit. Check individual schools websites. Then call and verify. As with what I found on Rice, sometimes you have to dig pretty deep.</p>
<p>Wonder why they wouldn't accept credits from a major university??? Do you know what their rationale is?</p>
<p>Major uni, small uni, uni on Mars- the policy is the same. If you get high school credit it is a high school course. </p>
<p>Some would say it is because they want you to have a Rice education if your diploma says Rice. Some others would say it was to make sure you spend 4 years in UG. Had my D been given credit for her courses and her AP's she'd have entered a junior. They don't like that very much.</p>
<p>There seems to be no ryhme nor reason. The U that offers the program at D's h.s. tells us to check with the school ahead of time, but how can you know where your kid will end up? Rhodes doesn't take dual enrollment credits from D's program, but Duke & Vandy do. Holy Cross hasn't, but Notre Dame, BC, and Georgetown have. Yale hasn't, but JHU, Cornell, Columbia, and Northwestern have. NYU has in the past, but just changed their policy & no longer takes dual enrollment.</p>
<p>I'm not griping about it. D wanted to take the best courses in high school. That was the courses she took. Simple. Credit would have meant little as she was going to attend 4 years of UG anyway. Had she been trying to get through as soon as possible she could have gone to UT or A+M and graduated in two years and one summer. She had no interest in that.</p>
<p>I am curious though, how did y'all (ss and NM) know what credit was to be given at schools where your kid didn't matriculate? I know A+M and UT by classmates (D never apoplied) but the twelve private schools she applied to never told us. Including Yale off the list above. Did you ask for a ruling going in prior to acceptance? After acceptance?</p>
<p>Yeah...neither of mine were/are interested in getting out of school earlier...just want to miss those dull intro Eng/math classes and take more fun/interesting ones! It also meant they can register for classes earlier and move up in the dorm lottery system. I believe the bigger closets are definitely the reason behind it! ;)</p>
<p>Bigger closets. Now we are talking!! D would have been all over that. Tangible results.</p>