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I also found it funny that on the cheating thread, you guys thought it was alright that you can cheat to have a higher rank and grade, but you don't think its alright to make up stuff... um, hypocrites?

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<p>On the cheating thread, a few people thought it was alright, but probably not the same people as those who are posting on this thread who say it's not okay to make things up. If you actually read all of that thread and this thread you will noticed that I posted in the cheating thread and I was strongly against cheating, and in here I advised people to not make things up. So I don't think "hypocrite" is a valid insult here.</p>

<p>By the way, I have to agree with NorthStarMom that I know Eagle Scouts too and they are very friendly and sociable. Now, maybe you are an Eagle Scout; I don't know. But it wouldn't hurt to adjust your attitute a little.</p>

<p>well not all eagle scouts are "really nice people" and are perfect... I'm antisocial and about to do my eagle project, so your point is debunked</p>

<p>um, by saying that you would have to LIE to say that you are an eagle scout (or soon will be), I find it hard to believe that you're starting any project at all. and i'm not even an adcom member.</p>

<p>lets get to the topic at hand shall we, do people lie on applications?</p>

<p>Yes, people lie on the application.
Yes, people kill people for fun.
Yes, people steal.
Yes, people steal icecream from a baby.
Yes, some people are crazy.
Yes, there is Hitler.
Yes, there are people who would lie about being an eagle scout.</p>

<p>Does it make any of this right? The answer is NO!</p>

<p>The fact that you'll be a total scumbag and cheater aside, if you think adcoms won't be able to tell that you're lying about stuff like this, you're seriously mistaken</p>

<p>the only thing that you could possible lie about without getting in trouble is volunteer hours or something similar, and not even by much. plus, it won't help much either.</p>

<p>anything worth lying about could get you in major trouble.</p>

<p>if its a risk you're willing to take, then go ahead.</p>

<p>i would think numbers are on your side if you lie though; but maybe luck isn't.</p>

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Yes, there is Hitler.

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this thread is over, and fastfingers loses.</p>

<p>/Godwin</p>

<p>More seriously, while it indicates a lack of character on the cheater's part, lying on an application at least indicates sufficient chutzpah, sufficient impetuousness, that the person may or may not have a future as an entrepreneur. We all remember the story about the Harvard applicant who grossly exaggerated in his essay about being a short-order cook, climbing mount everest, saving the rainforest, and on and on... so much so that it was clearly a joke. And it was pulled off so well that the admissions officer supposedly (according to the NPR report, anyway) called him up and offered him admission on the spot.</p>

<p>My point is that there are classy and classless ways to have chutzpah. In some ways, knowing what you can exaggerate on a college application is a good lesson in it. But it is very possible to simply be greedy and entitled about it. Doing the former may land you some opportunities you wouldn't have otherwise had; doing the latter, however, will probably be transparent on an application and will go in the dustbin. So get adventurous at your peril.</p>

<p>-Steve</p>

<p>do whatever you have to in order to get in. bending the truth or telling flat out lies--hell if you think its worth it, go for it! this isn't church, its oppurtunity! you're a sucker if you dont do all that you can to make yourself the best possible candidate. trust me, when you apply for your first real job you will see, everyone lies on their resumes--its the american way! if you can sway an admission by making something up why not? its not like the person reviewing your app actually cares what kind of a person you are... its all numbers (gpa, sats, sat IIs, ACTS, # of ECs)... if you dont meet their standards you dont get in and they dont think twice.</p>

<p>And therere plenty of people who get busted for lying on resumes and applications and are subsequently released from their employment, having to explain to all future employers why he/she got fired from his/her job.</p>

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That was Hugh Gallagher, and he had won the Scholastic Writing Contest for the essay. He sent it to NYU. </p>

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I assume you're speaking from experience? That doesn't correspond at all with my own experience, albeit as a volunteer, in admissions. There's a reason Harvard rejects a majority of the 1600-scoring Valedictorians who apply. Being caught for lying has happened before, you know. If they do uncover the embellishments, even some years down the road, the college in question would be well within its rights to expel you, sue for any money they'd given you, and/or revoke any degree you might have received.</p>

<p>you dont have to mention termination of prior employment as long as you dont list it on your resume... theres no way for an employer to know where you worked if you dont tell them. theres a reason why politicians get where they get.... they lie... and good honest people vote for them.</p>

<p>I just read Hugh Gallagher's essay for the first time and he definitely didn't perceive himself as a liar. He basically made it extremely obvious that he was lying and end by saying he wanted to go to college</p>

<p>Here's his essay for all who (like me) are too lazy to go to Google:</p>

<p>"I am a dynamic figure, often seen scaling walls and crushing ice. I have been known to remodel train stations on my lunch breaks, making them more efficient in the area of heat retention. I translate ethnic slurs for Cuban refugees, I write award-winning operas, I manage time efficiently. Occasionally, I tread water for three days in a row.</p>

<p>I woo women with my sensuous and godlike trombone playing, I can pilot bicycles up severe inclines with unflagging speed, and I cook Thirty-Minute Brownies in twenty minutes. I am an expert in stucco, a veteran in love, and an outlaw in Peru.</p>

<p>Using only a hoe and a large glass of water, I once single-handedly defended a small village in the Amazon Basin from a horde of ferocious army ants. I play bluegrass cello, I was scouted by the Mets, I am the subject of numerous documentaries. When I'm bored, I build large suspension bridges in my yard. I enjoy urban hang gliding. On Wednesdays, after school, I repair electrical appliances free of charge.</p>

<p>I am an abstract artist, a concrete analyst, and a ruthless bookie. Critics worldwide swoon over my original line of corduroy evening wear. I don't perspire. I am a private citizen, yet I receive fan mail. I have been caller number nine and have won the weekend passes. Last summer I toured New Jersey with a traveling centrifugal-force demonstration. I bat 400. My deft floral arrangements have earned me fame in international botany circles. Children trust me.</p>

<p>I can hurl tennis rackets at small moving objects with deadly accuracy. I once read Paradise Lost, Moby Dick, and David Copperfield in one day and still had time to refurbish an entire dining room that evening. I know the exact location of every food item in the supermarket. I have performed several covert operations for the CIA. I sleep once a week; when I do sleep, I sleep in a chair. While on vacation in Canada, I successfully negotiated with a group of terrorists who had seized a small bakery. The laws of physics do not apply to me.</p>

<p>I balance, I weave, I dodge, I frolic, and my bills are all paid. On weekends, to let off steam, I participate in full-contact origami. Years ago I discovered the meaning of life but forgot to write it down. I have made extraordinary four course meals using only a mouli and a toaster oven. I breed prizewinning clams. I have won bullfights in San Juan, cliff-diving competitions in Sri Lanka, and spelling bees at the Kremlin. I have played Hamlet, I have performed open-heart surgery, and I have spoken with Elvis.</p>

<p>But I have not yet gone to college."</p>

<p>^^^btw that dude went to NYU...</p>

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well not all eagle scouts are "really nice people" and are perfect... I'm antisocial and about to do my eagle project, so your point is debunked

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<p>I didn't say that. I said all the eagle scouts I know are very nice people, so I don't see how my point is debunked.</p>

<p>People who lie, are the same people in highschool who were dependent on others and have no integrity. Just the way you said if it was ok to cheat seems like you were one of those people who cheated their way thorughout highschool. My whole point is dont lie or cheat</p>

<p>Yea, Hugh Gallagher actually wrote that essay for a writing contest, and didn't actually use it for college admissions.</p>