Marcus Curry leaving Academy

[vvyh2844]

<p>You don’t debate because you don’t have any counter-arguments. You chose ad hominem attacks versus addressing the questions or points I brought up. </p>

<p>Everything I stated above was either a fact or a question. You chose to ignore it–fine. That’s not unusual any way. </p>

<p>If you don’t like the Goering quote, I have another one for you.</p>

<p>"The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them. "</p>

<p>George Orwell</p>

[Bill0510]

<p>Interesting. Who was that ■■■■■ who used to have the same MO as vvyh? Zaphod would remember. WhistlePig; have you been around long enough to remember some of them?</p>

<p>I was going to comment on JAMid’s announcement that he “mixed it up” with some locals; hopefully you are not proud of this but, rather, contrite with the knowledge that you SHOULD NOT be “mixing it up” with locals. Military officers should be able to restrain themselves–and I believe ADULT military OFFICERS do–when faced with civilian nonsense.
BUT, then vvyh comes out and spews his nonsense . . . and he was at the Academy? </p>

<p>OH well, it was revealed long ago that the Academy is not a perfect place. </p>

<p>Young readers, take heed, there are many different personalities at the Academy. You should prepare yourself to be in close quarters with some who may not reflect your ideals. Marcus Curry is but one example of a mid who was charting his own path. JAM may be “rogue” and you may or may not appreciate that about him. And vvy? Well, it would have been interesting to hear his lunch-time monologues . . .
Was anybody listening?</p>

[JustAnotherMid]

<p>Bill0510: Yes sir, it was a regrettable incident insomuch as I regret that it was necessary. Unfortunately the circumstances didn’t really offer any other option. A Mid (who I didn’t know at the time) was being roughed up by a few wannabe tough guys. It had to be stopped and it was. End of story. If I’m in that situation again I will follow the same course of action. Words, taunts, gestures - no problem, they are easily ignored and you just smile and go about your business. But when the fighting starts you can either engage or run and running isn’t an option.</p>

<p>vvyh: Through your words you have shown yourself for what you are. Some may agree with your positions but I view them as the words of a moral coward. I will not debate you as you are unworthy of my time and attention. Have a nice life.</p>

[Bill0510]

<p>As described, your response seems appropriate. Thanks for the clarificaiton.</p>

[vvyh2844]

<p>If you weren’t looking for a debate, I have no idea why you would come up and take a stab at me. </p>

<p>Guessing you’re one of those people who takes stabs and provokes people, but runs away without explaining or tries to avoid the confrontation. </p>

<p>The reason why you don’t debate is because you don’t want to address anything I said in the above post.</p>

[raimius]

<p>Forgive the zoomie intrusion, but some of this is…out there…</p>

<p>

Nope, but we have backed up death squads in central America to overthrow a sovereign government that have led to the execution of innocent civilians.

True

We have exploited and imperialized other nations for national and material gain.

Yes the late 1800s weren’t our best days, morally speaking.

This country took 100 years to figure out slavery was a bad thing. This country took another 100 years after that to figure out people of different skin colors and genders should have rights.

NO. Our country took over 80 years to almost tear itself appart to fix the issue. The Civil War wasn’t exactly pretty.
NO. We took almost 100 years to get the guts to legislate with teeth. The Civil War Amendments should have fixed the issue legally, but they were not adequately enforced.</p>

<p>

How do you know they are your enemy if you never even met them? Because your government told you so? Isn’t that a little bit narrowminded?

Let me think. After 9/11, Al Quaeda took credit. Other organizations cheered them on. Simple enough, don’t you think?</p>

<p>

Let me ask you something, do you know the difference between the Taliban and Al-qaeda?

Yes. There are serious differences between the trans-national terrorist organization that calls itself “The Base” and the ex-governing group of Afghanistan.</p>

<p>

I know a lot of Mids have a hard time trying to locate Iraq or Afghanistan on an blank map, so I suppose this might be a harder question.

Persian Gulf, go north to Basra. To get to A-stan, go Northeast past Iran. Thanks, got any more geography?</p>

<p>

You can go fight for the war if you want, if that’s your choice.

Serious semantic errors here…
I don’t fight for war. I will fight to support and defend the Constitution of the United States and obey the lawful orders of those appointed over me. If you are unwilling to do so, it is a good thing you punched out when you did.</p>

<p>

Hey, do you realize more Americans die every year due to the hand of ANOTHER American than these “terrorists” you are so gung-ho about? Homicides, manslaughter, accidents. If you’re a religious person, you can count abortion too, if you want.

Yeah, the DoD does its job pretty well.</p>

<p>

You would also have another point if there wasn’t other countries on the globe that have the SAME freedoms we have (if not more, pretty sure I can smoke dope in some others) but aren’t involved in propaganda, warfare, and indoctrination.

I’m sure they’d be happy to have you.
I like the fact that I can own firearms for defense, unlike the UK, Japan, Canada, and others.
I like the fact that I won’t be forced to confess for any crimes I may or may not have commited, unlike Japan.
I like the fact that I can get my internet free from government filtering, unlike China and Australia.
I like the fact that I won’t be fined if someone steals my wifi and commits an online crime, unlike laws proposed in Germany.
I like the fact that there are not major riots every couple years, unlike France.
If you want to go to another nation, be my guest.
It sounds like you have been listening to too much propoganda and indoctrination.</p>

<p>

Just remember that the Nazi’s tried emulating the US, because of our mindless nationalism and patriotism. The United States is the only country since Nazi Germany to still do this “Pledge of Allegiance” indoctrination.

Dang, Godwin’s Law strikes again!
Supporting the United States’ core principles is now “mindless nationalism.” Thanks for the news update!</p>

<p>

No other country on the globe has this indoctrination of allegiance and oath to government that gets repeated over and over again at the beginning of class.

You seriously need to go reread that. It is to the republic, COMPLETELY unlike the Nazi oaths (to Adolf Hitler). I will not swear to support all actions of the government. I have swarn to support and defend the constitution, and have pledged my allegiance to my nation.
If these things bother you, go somewhere else.</p>

<p>

“Naturally the common people don’t want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY.”</p>

<p>–Hermann Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

Consider the source and context. The Nazis used some of the most authoritarian means we have seen outside places like Stalin’s USSR. Of course it is easy to push the nation around when you can incarcerate or outright murder anyone who dares speak out against the “official” story.</p>

[navy2010]

<p>

Interesting. Who was that ■■■■■ who used to have the same MO as vvyh? Zaphod would remember. WhistlePig; have you been around long enough to remember some of them?

</p>

<p>hmmmm… that would be “CONFUSED”…aka… [i forget, but give me a moment!!!]… anyway, believe he pre-dates WP’s time on CC!</p>

<p>sure does sound like a familiar tone now doesn’t it!!!</p>

[XCI_Wraith]

<p>Yes. It would be Confused.</p>

<p>It would seem that the moniker remains appropriate…</p>

[XCI_Wraith]

<p>Oh, lookie…</p>

<p>This is the same guy who dropped out of USNA supposedly on the “happiest day of his life”, in part so he could continue playing piano.</p>

<p>No agenda. Nah… :rolleyes:</p>