<p>Thanks for the list, amptron. I'm looking towards pre-med though, so I probably won't be going to a liberal arts college.</p>
<p>uhy DEF apply to the ivys, don't listen to your counselor he/she is crazy. i got into dartmouth ed and my stats weren't half as good as yours. i'd say for pre-med/non-ivy schools johns hopkins, duke, northwestern, wash u., tufts...but come to dartmouth!!! hahah</p>
<p>Actually Liberal Arts colleges often do better than large universities in terms of med school placement. I think that is the biggest misconception out there.</p>
<p>If you want premed, you should apply to Brown and Johns Hopkins. You'll probably get into both.</p>
<p>Actually I wouldnt recommend Hopkins for pre-med. I know four who went there from my high school + my current roommate + many in grad school. They all have said the same thing - unless you are the top of the top, you will be crushed since its so cutthroat (students-wise). Plus, it gets no better overall recognition by grad schools than any of the Ivies. Also, unlike the Ivies it discourages weak applicants to apply to med school (like my friend from h.s. lol), that's why its med acceptance rate is so high.</p>
<p>If you want med school go the best overall school where you can get the best GPA. This is Harvard, Yale, Brown, Stanford, Dartmouth, Duke, Penn, Williams, etc.</p>
<p>Rice is great for pre-med. It's located across the street from the Houston Medical Center and there are various programs with Baylor medical school (an 8 year BA/MD program, neuroscience concentration, Bioengineering Phd/MD program). It is a small school with undergraduate focus that also has the resources of a large research university. It would be a match for you.</p>
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<p>Don't knock the small, top-flight, liberal arts college. Amherst, for example, is among the top colleges in the country. I have a friend who's going there and she's bloody brilliant (2400 SATs etc.). It's student body is easily comparable to Harvard and all the academic departments there, including the sciences, are very strong. Williams ditto.</p>
<p>You might also want to seriously consider Washington U in St. Louis. It is one of the best schools in the US, has one of the most competitive pre-med programs in the country, and one of the top med schools (I think it's rated #2).</p>
<p>No such thing as a good pre-med program!!</p>
<p>I agree with Bob. Your counselor is on track for HYPMS, but other top schools don't require that you went solo at Carnegie Hall on a Friday night in season. Apply wherever you want, but that tier just below the top looks like a good place to focus with some safeties where you are in the 75%.</p>
<p>William and Mary
UVA</p>
<p>There are too many other schools to name. Apart from wanting some place large that offers a pre-med program, what else are you looking for in a college? Are you a quiet, studious type or a partier? Do you like living in large or small cities? You would be a strong applicant at any state university (which tend to emphasize GPA/SAT over ECs/awards) and most private schools, so there are just too many to list.</p>
<p>Location-wise, either east coast or west coast, though I'm also thinking about Washington U in St. Louis now. Anyway, thanks for all the comments so far... realistic advice is always good :]</p>
<p>You'd do alot better to go to a place like Dartmouth, Duke, Brown, or PEnn vs. WashU if you want to go to med-school. I know many WashU alums, their undergrad program has nothing to do with the med school.</p>