<p>Wanted: Good liberal arts-based university in the Southeast for student who is top 10%, 2100’s (high math, high writing, low CR), 4-6 AP classes. Only match schools, please. Strong sciences, mid to large size, football a must.</p>
<p>Wake Forest, Elon, Davidson</p>
<p>Agree with: Wake Forest, Elon, and Davidson, except Davidson is not medium to large like you want.</p>
<p>Also try:
UNC-Chapel Hill
Clemson
University of Tulsa
Emory
Tulane
Vanderbilt
College of William and Mary
University of Miami
James Madison (more of a match/safety)
Johns Hopkins (may not be South enough?)
Furman (more of a match/safety)
Rice (maybe not so much southEAST) </p>
<p>Your child's stats do not sound so "mid level" to me....Duke may be a reach but is within reach, in my opinion.</p>
<p>Football to play? Football to watch? Duke has a nice stadium, but they are hoops happy.</p>
<p>...and Emory does not have football.</p>
<p>No Emory if football is a must. Sounds like a Vandy person - strong science, "real football". UVa might be possible, too, I'm not sure how strong one has to be for UVa - but Sooz mentioned UNC, which I think of as being harder to get into than UVa, and she is more up to date than I am. Another vote for Furman. If you need safeties and/or merit money - Clemson, Sewanee (I think they have football), maybe even another one of the big state schools.
What type of science? Pre-med, "hard" science or engineering??? Each of the big state schools has a "specialty".</p>
<p>Oops, forgot about Davidson size.</p>
<p>I was going to mention UVA but then I started thinking that the poster may not think some of these ideas are in the south. UVA did cross my mind and as you can see, I added JHU, James Madison and William and Mary. I do think Vandy is a great choice. </p>
<p>Admittedly I didn't take time to check on the football part and so sorry about Emory but the person knocked out small liberal arts schools and so since I tried to find universities, I took a chance that they would have football (to watch).</p>
<p>Also, while UNC-Chapel Hill is hard to get into, especially from out of state, the OP's child's stats are not so "mid level" to me.</p>
<p>Yeah, it is funny about UNC, I know several kids that go to UVa, but almost no one around here even tries for UNC - there is definitely a perception, very possibly incorrect, that it is much harder to get into UNC than UVa. Admissions people from UVa do come down here recruiting, and that may play a big role in the student's attitudes. At the same time, I think that there also the opposite misconception that lumps UNC with UGa, UA, UT, USCar, etc, while UVa gets put with Duke, Emory and Vandy - it is weird, but I've heard it more than once???!!!</p>
<p>Is U Richmond too small?</p>
<p>If Hopkins is anything like it used to be, forget football. Hopkins is one of the only schools that has Homecoming in the spring to coincide with lacrosse season. Nobody cared about football.</p>
<p>Depends on what you define as "caring" about football. If he wants to play, football at Hopkins can be a possibility when it is not at larger schools. There are a number of schools where football is there but not that big of a draw---Columbia, Uof Chicago, CMU, etc. How big does the interest in football have to be?</p>
<p>Thanks everybody. He's not going to play football, just watch. And he's interested in biology, premed.
He's looking into UNC, Emory, Vandy, and Wake so far. Been told that UNC and Vandy are reaches, Emory and Wake- reach/match. Others are UF and Auburn- he's honors level at those schools. It's frustrating because he's worked so hard all these years and we'd really like to see him stretch a little and get into some schools other than safeties. We went through the same thing with his B- almost identical profile and he ended up being declined at every school where he was within the 50-75%. Only acceptances were at schools where he qualified for honors program.
Has anyone else been through this?</p>
<p>Well, what about looking into:
Elon
Tulane
Clemson
University of Tulsa
College of William and Mary
James Madison
Furman
??? These schools could round out the reaches. However, you do need to find safeties that he likes. These may be more of matches as you asked for.</p>
<p>Doubleplay, you are OOS for UNC? Are you in Fla (if you don't mind me asking)? Alabama is slightly better than Auburn for pre-med, it is a little more liberal artsish. Furman, Furman, Furman. Also look at Samford in B'ham. </p>
<p>He might find more matches if he went a little smaller - Rhodes, Sewanee, Samford. Another tack if he is serious about medicine is to go to a lower ranked school and be a superstar - UNC-Asheville or Mercer or App State or UAB or Univ of Memphis (old Memphis State) for example. I'm not sure about football, and his other requests at all these schools, just looking at it purely from the standpoint of med school admissions.</p>
<p>I agree with Cangel that he may find more options for matches if he was willing to go a little smaller. When I was browsing schools for him as matches, I had to knock out many fine options because of the size limitation you gave: Davidson, Rhodes, Centre, Rollins, Sewanee, University of Richmond, Washington and Lee.</p>
<p>Another thing is that while a student establishes a list of personal college criteria, as your son has and which you mentioned here, they usually need to create a list of schools where each school meets a bunch of the criteria but not all. So, one school may be the right size, good in the intended major, right level of challenge or selectivity, but not have football, as an example. Another might have football, be the right level but not be the right size. Often the entire list consists of schools with some pros and some cons based on personal criteria, and most have more pros than cons but their list of pros may not match the list of pros of other schools on the list. When options come next spring, your child can then select which of these most closely parallels the college criteria he has and which criteria he may be able to "give" a little on to get a lot in another respect. Also, while he may say he wants, for example, a certain size, it could turn out that after visits, he may like two schools very much that contrast in size by a lot but he simply likes them both. My kids had schools on their list that varied quite a bit in size even though they had a certain "preference" for size on their list of college criteria, not every school could match every single thing they wanted in a college just so. The bottom line is that they liked all the schools on their list enough to apply or attend.</p>
<p>(soozie and I truly aren't planning this somewhere off in cyberspace ;))</p>
<p>The criteria list Soozie mentions is a great idea, because, honestly, it is unlikely that he will find the "Perfect Fit". He will also find that as time goes on this year and he considers his options, the relative importance of the criteria will change a fair amount. That's why I can understand when kids have 2-3 schools on a list that just don't seem to "fit" - we don't know the student's criteria.</p>