When did you tell the instructor that? Your earlier post definitely made it sound like you did not tell this professor, only that you were going to tell the other professor but instead you were accused of plagiarism and that then you cheated on this test while waiting for your appeal of the plagiarism. Now that I write that all out, also a point of clarification: was the plagiarism accusation the same professor or a different one from the exam?
Right! Well hopefully the OP will be kicked out of the school. We don’t need his/her kind walking around with a college degree because someone’s life could be on the line. Imagine what would happen if the OP were given a job with responsibility. What if the job had something to do with your or my income or health. We could be at great risk. So I hope that the meeting results in expulsion.
^^. Wow, I don’t accept the OP’s behavior at all, but that’s a bit of a stretch, don’t you think? From cheating to potentially having your life on the line if he actually got a job?
The attitude of the OP indicates that even if he gets off the hook this time there will be future instances of cheating so @lostaccount comment is not all that out of line.
Tbh, I feel some sympathy for the OP. OP, I wouldn’t wish you to be expelled (I wouldn’t wish that on anybody for that matter), but please treat this as a learning experience and refrain from cheating in the future. And I’m sorry about the accident you mentioned. Please tell the rest of us how the meeting goes.
sorry I had told my advisor that
The meeting is soon I will keep everybody updated. I will definitely tell the truth about what had happened if anything about copying is mentioned.
the plagiarism accusation was from a different instructor entirely
Good luck!
I hope justice is served, but I also hope that you get another chance.
Since enough people have taken the condemning moral high ground already, I’ll actually try to help OP.
- They may ask you questions to prove if you actually know things or not, so STUDY. Best case scenario, they ask you a few questions on the material, you nail them to prove you plausibly didn't cheat and everybody goes home.
- Retain an attorney and bring him to the meeting.
- Do not confess to cheating. You have the right to remain silent, USE IT. If they ask you if you cheated or not, keep your trap shut. Sit there for 5 hours if you have to. They will try to either get you to admit cheating directly, or catch you in a lie, both bad outcomes.
- They may be suspicious, but without direct evidence (aka a CONFESSION) they can't legally prove you cheated. You could say you were looking around out of nervousness, heard a noise outside, looking at the clock, etc.
The only hard evidence possible is a confession (or being caught in a lie) so avoid both.
Does that not look guilty as all heck??
@Mandalorian, two things:
- If the OP is guilty—which was admitted—why does it serve any good purpose to do (1) in an attempt to prove a lie?
- Your (3) is utterly counterproductive if that's what you're trying to do, anyway. If no defense is mounted in a disciplinary hearing, the other evidence stands uncontested. Remember that campus disciplinary hearings (a) operate under a preponderance of the evidence standard, not a beyond a shadow of a doubt standard; and (b) the rights you think of as applying in a courtroom or in a police investigation don't apply in the same way, in that yes, there are rights of process, but silence can be taken as a tacit admission of guilt, and so forth.
So you decide to take the moral low ground!
What was the result of the meeting?
OP’s gonna do what he’s gonna do. But for your bullets 2,3,4, it doesn’t work like that, Mandalorian. You can see that in many colleges’ Code of Conduct.
Wow, @Mandalorian, you really are malinformed about these things. I posted my first response to you before you edited your post to add your (4), and now having seen it I just have to say, as someone who actually runs academic integrity disciplinary hearings, that if I’d been drinking something when I read that one I’d’ve probably snorted it out of my nose in stunned amazement that someone could be that completely and utterly wrong about this subject.
@Mandalorian I thought you and your fellow warriors were wiped off by the Republic.
On a more serious note: you guys are attacking everyone who has any sympathy for the guy. I’m a high-gpa student who likely has been cheated off of but that doesn’t mean the people doing the cheating are spawns of Lucifer.
This is a meeting, and possibly a disciplinary hearing… this is not a court of law. Oy vey.
Stugace, an OP attitude can matter very much on CC.