May SAT II Literature Discussion

<p>Anyone else take it? What'd you think?</p>

<p>I almost failed on one of the poems because I didn’t get what it was talking about at first. But otherwise I didn’t think it was too bad.</p>

<p>Yes, I took it. I’m not sure what I think. There are several questions I feel ‘iffy’ about. It was, in my opinion, more difficult than the CR section of the normal SAT…My goal was to get fewer than 8 wrong, but I don’t know if I accomplished that. It seemed more difficult than the practice tests I’ve taken for the AP English Language exam as well. What did you think?</p>

<p>I was surprised. I thought it was easier than the December Lit test. I was so dumbfounded by it. The December Lit test screwed me over. </p>

<p>Some of the questions I was unsettled by though:
In the Hughs passage, the second question concerning the language? answer choices were like …anecdotal, metaphorical, complex syntactically, allusive, etc. I picked the “complex syntactically” choice even though i wasnt sure what it meant</p>

<p>Also in the Hugh passage… how did Hughs attitude change? From thoughtful reminiscence to somber whatever or self-criticism? </p>

<p>The last question that was like How does the structure of the poem reflect it’s content? I wasn’t sure about whether it was “slow-moving into oppression” or “like fading music.” I picked the oppression one. </p>

<p>In the first passage about the women stealing a gold necklace. The question about what can be Inferred. Was it “she has some knowledge about jewelry” or “she has contempt for the rich and powerful” <– I changed my answer to the knowledge about jewelry lbut i first had that thing about rich & powerful. I’m not sure about it. </p>

<p>I found the actual passages quite interesting. The poetry wasn’t dreadful. </p>

<p>On the poem about being born into the world & god:
The list of words (earth, sky, stars, day, light) on those lines emphasize what? I was torn between “the variety of the physical world” and the “brilliance of the speaker’s universe.” I picked the latter. </p>

<p>What was the answer to the “burnished” thing? I was torn between “more lustrous than yellow gold and pearls” and “as valuable as yellow gold and pearls” I probably got this one wrong</p>

<p>noloserhere:
Complex syntactically, genuine delight to bitterness, slow-moving into oppression, knowledge about jewelry, brilliance of the speaker’s universe, more lustrous than yellow gold and pearls. </p>

<p>For the Sheaves poem, what was the significance of the day and what did the “shadow of the wind” mean? I put the day was more important than the weather and that the wheat was bowed by invisible wind. And was it “change was inevitable”? </p>

<p>For the Tan passage, what did the two song names (“Pleading Child” and “Perfectly Content”) mean? I put it reflected the narrator’s transformation… or did it embody the mother and the child’s ambition?</p>

<p>For the jewelry one, was it a self-reflecting monologue?</p>

<p>And *** at the “rain woman” passage. The last two questions:

  1. The last three lines either meant “man and woman will strive to be true to themselves” or “love cannot overcome irreconciiable differences”…
  2. The purpose of the myth allusion was either to “be a parallel to events experienced by the speaker” or “present terms used by the speaker to describe her own experiences.”</p>

<p>@bacteriophage.</p>

<p>I also put down 1) complex syntactically 2) slow-moving into oppression 3) knowledge about jewelry 4) brilliance of the speaker’s universe 5) change is inevitable and 5) self reflecting monologue</p>

<p>Can you explain why it’s “genuine delight to bitterness” though?
I thought it was “thoughtful reminiscence to somber self-criticism” because they start off with simply discussing talking about how he knows five instruments but left them in a basement in Astoria long ago. In the end, he seems to realize that he’s abandoned the instruments and that theyre deformed and bitter and stuff. </p>

<p>The reason I didn’t pick “more lustrous” is because I believe the word lustrous specifically concerns shininess and luster… so Idk </p>

<p>For the significance of the day, I chose “the day is in an imagined future.” Not completely sure about whether its right. However, the point of view turns to ‘predicting’ in the second stanza, so thats why i said future. </p>

<p>Bowed with invisible wind is correct :slight_smile: I’m confidant on that one. </p>

<p>It reflected the narrator’s transformation bc she pleaded to reconcile with her mother before and was content afterwards. </p>

<p>What did you pick for the question about what she does after her mother’s death? I didn’t like any of the answer choices on that one!</p>

<p>Lol the rain passage was amusing. But I concur… the dumb last question was really bad… I mean love wasn’t mentioned at all in the poem. They only mentioned marriage, and those things are sometimes mutually exclusive. Regardless, I chose “love cannot overcome irreconcilable differences” because i felt like it was the best answer. Any dissenters?</p>

<p>The purpose of the <strong>folktale</strong> allusion was present terms used by the speaker to describe her own experiences. I’m 74% sure about that one. :P</p>

<p>(Random sidenote: the astoria greek street line in the Hughs poem is the area of Queens, NYC I grew up in!!! I was so excited when I saw the reference).</p>

<p>I agree with all of the above comment except for I thought it was contempt for rich.</p>

<p>I put knowledge about jewelry cause she was able to estimate the worth of the necklace. Never showed contempt for rich.</p>

<p>I agree with most of the answers expressed here. I believe that it was “knowledge of jewelry” because she could estimate the wealth and also thought that it was probably the mother’s necklace given to the daughter for her to show off. However, I disagree with the “self-reflective monologue” answer. I think it fell under the category of objective narrative. </p>

<p>Objective in this sense:
" involving or deriving from sense perception or experience with actual objects, conditions, or phenomena <objective awareness=“”> <objective data=“”> (Merriam Webster)"</objective></objective></p>

<p>And narrative as " something that is narrated : story, account (Merriam Webster)."</p>

<p>It seemed more like a narration of the events than a monologue, which reminds me of more of a performance with more drama. </p>

<p>I also selected “fading like a note” rather than the answer with oppression. It did not seem like it was heavily oppressing him, rather, I thought his talents and aspirations were slowly fading as each guitar broke. Did anybody consider this answer? Thanks.</p>

<p>@johndoe11</p>

<p>i think you missed the point of the poem if you thought that his talents and aspirations were slowly fading as each guitar broke. The plot of the poem was: Hughs used to be a musician and knows how to play five instruments. Now he doesn’t play the instruments anymore. The instruments are in the rusty basement of a building that is now a covent in greek street Astoria. The instruments, which are personified as being in grief, waited patiently for Hughs to return and play them. He never did and the cobwebs built up. They gave up hope and as they gave up hope, and this is symbolized and expressed through the description of their strings breaking. At the end, they’re bitter and malformed because they’ve waited so long. Hughs feels slightly guilty, but now we know the instruments are reminders of his past life as a musician (with debts) that he’d left behind, which is why he doesnt touch them anymore. </p>

<p>It’s not an objective narrative because she wasn’t objective about it. She was personal. Very, very personal. She mentioned how she was plagued with guilt and felt like her actions were inspired by the devil. That’s not objective. It ACTIVELY forms our opinion of her and tells us about her and her perspective through her own lens. Something objective would be analytical… like without a thesis, an argument or any personal sentiments attached. This had personal sentiments attached. </p>

<p>I actually REALLY was unsure about the ‘fading like a note’ question. I wanted to pick it but then I didnt because I reread the entire thing and wasn’t sure how the structure and diction seemed to “fade.” If anything, it just got darker and wearier and deeper and intense. Which is why I went with oppression.</p>

<p>Knowledge about jewelry makes sense… I just thought she was mad that the little rich girl was traipsing around while she was impoverished.</p>

<p>Wow. The passages in my exam were completely different than those mentioned above.</p>

<p>Hi,
thanks for your detailed response on the two questions I raised. I’m curious to hear what you thought the correct answer was for the sheaves poem question regarding tomorrow or was it on today? (I can’t remember). I put that it was faded memory in the past, but I’m not very confident in the answer. What are your thoughts? Also, how about the question on the Chinese girl’s tone; I put simple and restrained over ironic and witty. I was torn up over this question because her tone seemed simple and there was irony, but i couldn’t find much wit in the piece. Thanks.</p>

<p>Oh yeah :frowning: The tone question was a tough one. </p>

<p>Don’t trust me on this answer because I’m not sure about it! I chose “reverent + something else” rather than “ironic + witty” or “simple + restrained”
The reason I didn’t pick “simple + restrained” is because in the first two paragraphs, she’s really passionate about describing how terrible she felt about the piano recital. Restrained implies that there are things that she isn’t telling us. However, the speaker was being really open about her feelings in the passage, which would eliminate “restrained” I believe. The speaker FELT restrained, but I don’t think her TONE was restrained. I don’t think it’s “ironic + witty” because the assertion implies that passage the passage as a whole is clever and witty and joking. Rather than clever and witty, the passage is alot more serious and tense and reflective. (I mean, she talks about how much she wishes her mother would accept her and then the kid’s mother dies! It’s like a whole emotional catharsis!) </p>

<p>I chose “an imagined future” because the poem’s apostrophe changes and the speaker starts telling us what he predicts will happen in the next season. The second stanza was predicting that later on (on some vague day in the future), the wheat would turn gold again and then be cut up into sheaves and then sold again. However, it was all situational. </p>

<p>Oh. What did you get on the question that asked for the symbolizing of “gold” in the poem? I was really confused on that one. I picked the “has value greater than commercial worth” :/</p>

<p>I agree with most of what everyone else agreed on, but for the ones that people are having trouble deciding on, I put: “simple & restrained” because I felt like there were not outpourings of emotion, and with the exception of the first paragraph the entirety of the passage had no intense emotion, and if I were to imagine the author speaking aloud the passage to me, to me she would sound pretty calm and not emotional. For the jewelry one, I picked “knowledge about the jewelry.” I also picked “self-reflective monologue”.</p>

<p>no, i’m pretty sure that what you could INFER was she had contempt for the rich. she was like, “and the mother, in her vanity, gave her daughter this necklace blah blah…she should have known better…”</p>

<p>i disliked the last poem greatly.</p>

<p>i also put simple and restrained, though i didn’t completely agree with it :(</p>

<p>Hey what did “vast magic undivined” mean? </p>

<p>I think the answer choices were that vast magic is either ‘revealed’ or ‘not understood’</p>

<p>?</p>

<p>i think i put “not understood”, if i remember correctly</p>

<p>^I also put “not understood”.</p>

<p>I got ‘not understood’ too.</p>

<p>Hey, did you guys put that rain was ‘indiscriminate’ or did you put the answer choice with the other two words that meant just?</p>