MBA or MS, help me decide

<p>Here's my situation. I'm graduating with a BS in Mechanical Engineering this year, and I'm taking a job as a design engineer for a successful small/mid-size aerospace company. I plan to get 2-3 years experience and go to grad school, either for aero eng, mech eng, or MBA. Obviously my experience in the next few years will affect my decision, but I'm curious to see what other people think about this. Here are some things I'm wondering about:</p>

<p>Is the MS worth the time/money investment if I plan to stay in industry work? How important is it to go to a prestigious graduate school, and what would my chances be?</p>

<p>Does applying for a terminal masters hurt my chances because schools are looking for researchers? or does it just hurt my chances for being financially supported, but help my chances for getting in since they want my money?</p>

<p>I would really only be interested in doing a full-time MBA program if I could get into a top 5 business school because my goal would be to land a management consulting job. Could I get into a top b-school? Would it help my application if I got the MS first? Could I get into a consulting firm without the MBA, say with an MS from a top engineering school?</p>

<p>About me: graduating number 1 in class at a large public university, undergrad engineering program generally ranked 40-50 in country. some research experience, nothing ground-breaking. let me know if any other info would be helpful.</p>

<p>Well, one obvious way to solve your dilemma is to get both an MBA and an SM through one of those joint programs, like the LFM program at MITSloan or the MMM program at Northwestern Kellogg. </p>

<p>Now of course I would warn you that these tend to be highly specialized programs and you should carefully investigate whether they really are for you. In particular, if you want to be a management consultant later in life, then you may actually be better off going to a normal MBA program than to one of these special combined programs. For example, I know people who got into LFM and turned it down to just enter the regular MBA program at MITSloan because they didn't feel that LFM would let them direct their career where they wanted it to go. </p>

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Is the MS worth the time/money investment if I plan to stay in industry work? How important is it to go to a prestigious graduate school, and what would my chances be?

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<p>Worth it? Probably, although it would be even better if you could get the MS part-time, and especially if you can get your employer to pay for it. Many engineering schools run special partnerships with companies that allow employees to get their MS part-time. For example, I know some people who worked in the GE Aircraft Engines Division in Massachusetts and were able to get their MS in aerospace engineering at MIT part-time while doing so. Granted, it took many years for them to complete their degree, but it was still a pretty good deal. </p>

<p>As far as how important it is to go to a prestigious school, well, that depends on a number of factors. The truth is, all degrees 'expire' in the sense that few companies are going to care about them a few years after you get them, the only thing they will really care about is what you've been doing lately as far as your work experience goes. A prestigious degree can help you get a better job, but it's up to you to do well in that job. </p>

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Does applying for a terminal masters hurt my chances because schools are looking for researchers? or does it just hurt my chances for being financially supported, but help my chances for getting in since they want my money?

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<p>It's the latter. It is generally substantially easier to get into a terminal master's program than a PhD program, precisely because you rarely get any guaranteed financial support as a terminal master's student. </p>

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Could I get into a top b-school?

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<p>That hinges primarily on how strong your work experience and leadership qualities are. Your undergrad record will mean little. For example, you can have the best grades in the world, but if your career is mediocre, then you will stand little chance of getting in. </p>

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Would it help my application if I got the MS first?

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<p>It can't hurt, but like I said, the primary factor is your work experience. Getting an MS does not really 'prove' that you are going to be a successful employee, and in fact the time that you spend getting the MS may be better spent just working and developing your career. </p>

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Could I get into a consulting firm without the MBA, say with an MS from a top engineering school?

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<p>You can, but probably only as an analyst, which basically means that you'd be coming in at the same level as a fresh bachelor's degree recipient would. What you are really asking is will you be able to get the associate-level position that a typical MBA grad would get with just an MS, and the answer to that is 'possible but unlikely'. An MBA is a standard way to get into the associate-level position. An MS is generally not seen as an advanced enough of a degree to get there.</p>

<p>What's your opinion on part-time MBA programs?</p>

<p>Again, it all depends on what you want to achieve. Part-time MBA programs are obviously a financially less risky way to get your MBA, especially if you can get your employer to pay for your degree. However, you should keep in mind that many employers will demand that you sign an employment contract as a condition of an educational subsidy that will bind you to the company for X number of years, and this may not be something you want to do.</p>

<p>The major drawbacks of part-time programs is that #1, the networking is far less effective because you're just not spending the concentrated time with other students that you would be in a full-time program, and #2, the career opportunities are usually attenuated. All degrees are expiring degrees to some extent, and I would say that the MBA degree is more so than most. What I mean by that the MBA degree is most valuable immediately after graduation but tends to lose its value very quickly afterwards, such that a few years later, nobody is really going to care that you have one. The only thing they will care about is what you did after graduation. If you have an elite MBA but your post-MBA career arc is poor, then the fact that you have an elite MBA doesn't really matter. The truth is, part-time MBA programs usually have significantly straitened career offices and interviewing opportunities relative to the full-time program. </p>

<p>As a corollary, what that means is that much of the value of getting an MBA in the first place is to get you elite job offers right after graduation that you wouldn't be able to get any other way, like an associate-level job in an elite consulting or banking firm. For example, you can't just work as an engineer for 10 years and then decide one fine day that you want to be a Wall Street investment banking associate. If that's what you want, then you have to go to an elite MBA program, preferably a full-time one, which will give you the maximum opportunity to interview and see opportunities. If and when you get the job offer, then it is up to you to succeed on the job, but at least you got the offer. </p>

<p>I believe part-time programs are best for those people who know they want to stay at their current employer, and who can't get their current employer to sponsor them for a full-time program. {To digress, for example, I know that Intel will sponsor its top engineers to attend elite full-time MBA programs, and not only pay all tuition + living costs, but will also pay around 75% of your salary while you go. So those people are actually MAKING money while getting their MBA's. Of course the catch is that those people have to agree to be bound to work for Intel for X years after graduation, however, if you were planning to do that anyway, then it's a really sweet deal. Of course if your plan is to get into consulting or banking, then it's obviously a very bad deal. } Part-time programs are also a pretty good deal for those people who want to hedge their financial risk, i.e. they have families and so they can't afford to give up a steady income.</p>