<p>I think Democrats are scared. Palin is actually a good decision. Besides being totally unqualified (like Obama) she has good electoral traits.</p>
<p>More like baffled than scared. I will say we sure as hell weren’t planning for it. Obama is not totally unqualified, over 18 million people who voted for him thought he was plenty qualified and at least half (after this convention probably more) of the 18 million who voted for Clinton think he’s qualified to be President. Palin on the other hand, is little more than a glorified ■■■■. That being said, she was probably the best and the most riskiest choice McCain could have made.</p>
<p>I don’t understand how people like Dbate could cherry-pick facts, refuse to acknowledge opposing arguments, and inflate the most trivial of accomplishments while calling the other party unreasonable. But he did anyway, and I’m pretty amazed.</p>
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<p>could mccain be any more condescending to women than with this pick?</p>
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<p>So McCain’s lifetime in the Senate is moot then? Oh wait, he done got shot at. Hell, why not make 50 Cent Secretary of State then?</p>
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<p>Says the person who thinks being shot at makes someone qualified for the Oval Office.</p>
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<p>I didn’t realize that only the 100 people of senate could voice their opinions on the Iraq War. Unless McCain was secretly against the Iraq War but supported it publicly for some reason, it doesn’t matter who was in the senate and who wasn’t. EVERYBODY’S opinion and judgment in America counts.</p>
<p>Also, let’s not belittle Palin’s education. I do think that’s elitist. But she’s not stupid because she didn’t go to an Ivy League school. She’s stupid because she believes in creationism.</p>
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<p>Yes, I said that means all that Senate stuff does not matter. Neither Obama or McCain have executive experience, so I thought they would pick governors for VP. For Obama I was thinking Tim Kaine and I thought McCain was going to pick Tim Pawlenty. Both who have solid executive experience.</p>
<p>The reason why Obama could provide a cogent arguement over experience to judgement was becaue they both had no actually experience running a government.</p>
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<p>I would LOVE for you to show me where I said being shot at makes a person qualified to president. I never did, because I did not think McCain would be a good president, but if it is a choice between Obama and McCain I am going to McCain. The arguement I gave was because of judgement in military strategy (the surge) not him being shot down. who cares if he got shot down, I was not even talking about it.</p>
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<p>Everyone’s opinion counts yes, but there is a difference. Obama said he opposed the war from the being, well a lot of ppl did. There is a difference between vocally opposing a war and doing something about it.
Again that would not make Obama qualified to be president.</p>
<p>Here’s a challenge give 4 examples where Obama made a executive decision that caused a postive impact in ppl’s lives. Sponsoring a bill is not the same as actually executing it. There is a big difference between the two realities. And don’t respond by saying McCain did not have executive experience, because a) I never said he did and b) This thread was about the running mate. </p>
<p>Compared to Obama she has more executive experience. That is a fact.</p>
<p>School has no bearing on how smart you are. There are plenty of idiots who come from top 5 schools, Lawyers, Doctors, etc. Just like you cant say people who go to top schools are smarter than those who don’t. Its a foolish assumption.</p>
<p>The people who are best at their craft tend to be self educated.</p>
<p>I can say that someone who majored in something non intensive from a mediocre school, didn’t graduate with honor, and fails to recognize global warming is an idiot. It’s the confluence of these attributes that allows me to make these statements. And I can say, on average, that those who go to top schools are smarter than those who don’t. I don’t think any reasonable person would try to deny that. That being said, just because a singular person did or did not go to a top school does not prove their intelligence. Anyway, that’s away from the point. She hasn’t been educated rigorously enough.</p>
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<p>Fair enough if you admit someone who has been mayor for 1 year has more executive experience than both Obama and McCain.</p>
<p>Cervantes non you cant. Prove to me that folks who go to top schools are smarter than those who don’t. </p>
<p>If you feel Obama has been educated enogh, lets do some comparisons. He graduated with wayne allyn root in Columbia, and they both studied political science. Now my girlfriend is a PS major, and its about the easiest major Ive ever seen except art and business. How hard is PS, give me a break, its a ****ing joke.</p>
<p>Now on to Harvard law. Idiots upon idiots poor our of there, Alberto Gonzales, Janet Reno, Ralph Nader and Mitt Romney. But then again everybody already knows that Harvard law is about the least competitive law school in the country and will graduate these idiots. </p>
<p>School doesn’t make you good or smart. Your a fool if you think such.</p>
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<p>No we’re not. Trust me, we’re very happy with McCain’s choice. It seems that most Clinton supporters are now supporting Obama because they feel patronized, as they very well should be.</p>
<p>I do admit that we have to play a bit more carefully now, but so does McCain. He can no longer use the ‘experience’ argument. We, on the other hand, need to refrain from any big attacks on Palin that will scare off the Clinton supporters. Let the issue handle itself. The people of America are smart enough to see that this pick is utter pandering. There’s no reason for the Democratic party to point that out to the point of offending anyone (especially on gender issues).</p>
<p>Before yesterday, I was feeling very anxious for the Democratic party. Now I feel much better.</p>
<p>I think she was mayor for 5 years, and city council for 4 years before that. Governor for 2.5 years. Obama has been a junior US Senator for 3.5 years and most of that was spent campaigning for higher office and taking free overseas trips.</p>
<p>None of the Obama supporters have meet the challenge. List four executive decisions that Obama has made that have had a real tangible impact on ppl.
Sponsoring bills is not the same as implementing them. That is for the executive, which is what both men are trying to become.</p>
<p>Yes a 1 year mayor has more experience running a government than both of them. She has more executive experience than all four of them combined. Well maybe not Biden, I mean Senate Foriegn affairs is something that can directly relate to the president’s job. </p>
<p>But please meet the challenge. It is only four things to list. It is not the number of years that matters it is what you have done in those years.</p>
<p>Actually I think the whole Clinton supporters thing is being misinterpeted. It was not just women who voted for Clinton, but also blue-collar working men and women, and older democrats. Those are the Clinton supporters she can win over. The whole concept that only women supported Clinton, really lowers her accomplishments.</p>
<p>As a regular blue-collar (Palin) can appeal to those Clinton supporters, and she does.</p>
<p>Sorry she will hopefully (we do not know if she does yet).</p>
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<p>Harvard law school the least competitive law school in the country? You’ll definitely want to take that one back lol. First off, Mitt Romney is extremely intelligent. I don’t agree with his politics or his leadership, but to call him an idiot? Wow wonder what that makes almost everyone else…I’m not aware of the other individuals intelligence except Alberto Gonzales who I will admit, is a first-rate idiot. But he probably got into HLS on AA. 
That being said, I agree HLS doesn’t make someone smart, it makes them educated and learn how to think better (so they don’t have the audacity to deny Global warming). If self-education was so great, why would people require college degrees for jobs? However it seems that Dr. Horse knows all and that getting into HLS doesn’t prove anything. And just so you know to be able to get into HLS you need a high GPA and a high LSAT score. Though clearly Dr. Horse doesn’t think that means you’re smart or educated. Seems like some people have a trouble admitting certain people are smarter than them…</p>
<p>Dbate, now you’re arguing. The point is though, (limited) executive experience is not enough to become President or make Palin more experienced than either McCain or Obama. Sure she has more executive experience than both-but that’s not nearly good enough. If you want executive experience, lets draft my mayor to be the President of the US! Let’s cut the fancy talk about executive decisions for now-it’s deceiving. Point is, in 20 months, Palin has moved from a mayor of a small town to becoming a potential VP of America. If you don’t find that scary, I don’t know what to say to you.</p>
<p>If we do not use executive experience as a barometer for the presidency, then what do we have? Historical governors, are the ones who become presidents. My point is valid. You herself concede that she has more executive experience. Before in this thread ppl tried to challenge her about not being experienced, and I corrected that. </p>
<p>I find it scary that both of these ppl are the pick. I feel Obama brings alot of rhetoric that just seems not possible. For example, when he suggested that old ppl not have to pay taxes. That was obviously just words, that in no way was going to get past. I think his healthcare thing may not work as well. i mean the healthcare industry is supporting alot of politicians, in both parties. </p>
<p>I feel alot of Obama’s promises, are just promises and I do not think he says what he really means. McCain is a flip-flopper liberal, but looking from his track record I know what he actually supports, with Obama he does not have one, so I do not want to gamble.</p>
<p>I will again restate my challenge to name four things Obama has done that was an executive decision and caused real impact on ppl’s lives.</p>
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<p>So that was my attempt at a joke…"</p>
<p>That made me lol so hard… </p>
<p>If Palin were a guy, I wonder if there’d be the same level of support for her as the veep pick… (doubts it).</p>
<p>Of course there would not be as much enthusiam. Look at Obama, if he were a white male there would not have been as much enthusiam. It is the novelty that intially causes the enthusiam, it is the same with Palin. Also the fact that she was added means that whatever way the nation votes, it will change politics in america forever.</p>