McCain-Palin 08 victory?

<p>“I don’t think Obama is qualified to be President.” I never argued he was…</p>

<p>On the domestic drilling issue, this is what it seems to me as a concerned American citizen- Governor Palin is from a state whose major resource is petroleum and natural gas products. Considering her previous statements as well as her opposition to environmental regulation (psh… polar bears… they’re just a myth…), Palin does not seem to be as daring or willing to full-heartedly support alternative fuel sources as a primary goal. Instead, her approach is to create a temporary solution for the problem. Personally, I’d prefer increased manufacturing standards and move to alternative sources forcibly (starve 'em out, yay capitalism!). </p>

<p>And I do applaud her on her fiscal reforms for the state. I’m not going to detriment her successes by alluding to windfall profits that would have huge benefits for Alaska or anything. Nor will I mention the possibility of there being better bids than TransCanada, because there is no statement of that anywhere.</p>

<p>I say she is conservative because… well… she says she is! No abortion (even in those 1% chance cases of rape or incest, which is WHY it’d be an extreme viewpoint), a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage (why not leave it to the states?), teaching creationism in schools, pro-NRA (although, I don’t have a problem with that particularly), doesn’t believe global warming is man-made. --just a list of values that are stereotypically “conservative”-- </p>

<p>And the fact she’s a woman doesn’t bother me at all. I just find it humorous that she is vying for Clinton female votes (again, she admits in her acceptance) in a pro-feminist manner when she anti-choice (while the stereotypical feminist is pro-choice). </p>

<p>So yeah… about that hair…</p>

<p>dbate,
do you think one should know what the duties of the VP position consist of in order to be qualified for it? im sure one does. </p>

<p>you cannot possibly believe palin is a good choice if she herself admits that she does not know what a vice president does…</p>

<p>and please dont go into the rhetoric of finding a couple of exceptions that show how one doesnt need to know the certain responsibilities of a position to be qualified for it…</p>

<p>to become a qualified VP candidate of the United States of America, you need to know what that position does. period.
[YouTube</a> - Sarah Palin Interview: What does the VP do?](<a href=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4gkPXSDtGQ&feature=related]YouTube”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4gkPXSDtGQ&feature=related)</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/05/opinion/05palin.html?_r=1&oref=slogin[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/05/opinion/05palin.html?_r=1&oref=slogin&lt;/a&gt;
[Under</a> Governor Sarah Palin, Polar Bears have Thrived](<a href=“404 Not Found”>Under Governor Sarah Palin, Polar Bears have Thrived)
:)</p>

<p>[Ben</a> Smith’s Blog: Palin praises…Obama? - Politico.com](<a href=“http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/Palin_praisesObama.html]Ben”>http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/Palin_praisesObama.html)
She did not stand by the partisan line and launch some stupid hateful comment against Obama like the Obama campaign immediately did to her. </p>

<p>[YouTube</a> - Sarah Palin - CNBC Interview with Maria Bartiromo](<a href=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dIRmlXRayI]YouTube”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dIRmlXRayI) How more clear could she be? She wants an all of the above approach, but for now, we have to use conventional sources of energy.</p>

<p>Yeah, that hair…she’s so charming isn’t she :D</p>

<p>It’s amazing, math guy, that your disqualification of her is that she doesn’t want to break ties in the Senate or attend funerals… :smiley: Of course she doesn’t want a position that’s useless… </p>

<p>There is no obligation for the VP to have any kind of power. By claiming that she’s satisfied with her current position as something fruitful, she’s implying that the VP isn’t a fruitful position, which it isn’t, unless the President makes it so. How is that hard to see?</p>

<p>pug, im claiming her quote “what is it exactly that the vp does everyday?” shows her lack of knowledge of what she actually campaigning for. why should i vote the ticket with her name(and mccain obviously) on it if the words out of her mouth has led me to believe that she doesnt know what the vice president does.</p>

<p>if i was the owner of a company and i was interviewing for a new CFO or CEO and a interviewee states “what is it exactly does the CFO (or CEO) does everyday”, that person would be crossed of immediately. i want someone who at least knows what the position he or she is running for does and what the responsibilities are.</p>

<p>Um pugfug,</p>

<p>Just because Gov. Palin doesn’t believe there is sufficient evidence that polar bears are losing numbers doesn’t mean I necessarily agree with her. Nor does an article dating back to 2002 convince me that the governor had an effect in the increase. </p>

<p>And, not an Obama fan, so really couldn’t care less. </p>

<p>She wants an all-of-the-above approach, she says. But what is she a major proponent of? Drilling development. Which is great. If you’re the Alaskan governor. That helps. Alaska. She has mentioned alternative sources, but the fact that Governor Palin is promoting drilling first disturbs me a bit. And the fact is, domestic drilling is not as quick a solution as some believe. Palin has admitted herself (Glenn Beck interview) that she sees development of ANWR being able to come into fruition in five years. The initial proposal of ANWR development (on the DoE website) suggests it could be ten years (assuming no protracted legal battles). She’s for domestic drilling. But let’s be honest, that’s not the solution to our energy problems. Period. The Obama camp at least admits it’s a gimmick to look like government is making an attempt to solve long-term problems in the short-term… when in reality, the benefits are marginal at best. </p>

<p>Her hair is like… never moving though. Pageant queen, definitely.</p>

<p>Who doesn’t know what the VP does? They do nothing basically, or they are guaranteed no power basically.</p>

<p>[YouTube</a> - Sarah Palin on being VP CSPAN Feb08 + CNBC Jul08](<a href=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_mS6gFOSrk]YouTube”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_mS6gFOSrk)</p>

<p>If you can’t vote for McCain-Palin because she asked a rhetorical question, that’s too bad.</p>

<p>She’s in a situation where she can passionately argue for something. Back when Bush was a terrible war monger, everyone was liberal, and you couldn’t drill on a few acres on some “wildlife” refuge. She can argue with reason why we have to drill here.</p>

<p>It’s not a solution but to drill is better than not to drill.</p>

<p>Would you rather her be out there rooting for ethanol? McCain has his experiences that he speaks from and so does she.</p>

<p>Anyway, the private industry will do what it can to find new technologies. If they can’t find alternatives to oil/coal, then we were just bound by our limited natural resources, the laws of physics and chemistry to not be able to sustain our current lifestyle, boo hoo. </p>

<p>The government can create incentives with tax breaks… But they already do that. </p>

<p>What do you want her to do, advocate more federal money for “research”?
[Air</a> Force uses counterterror funds to pay for VIP ‘comfort capsules’ - On Deadline - USATODAY.com](<a href=“http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2008/07/air-force-uses.html]Air”>http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2008/07/air-force-uses.html)
This is what happens when you want the government involved with defense “research” and spending.</p>

<p>how can you claim that was a rhetorical question… and even if you do:

  1. does any question that is stupid or out of touch considered to be rhetoric
  2. why would she want to ask a rhetoric question like that… it only shows that she is uneducated about the position</p>

<p>on a side note, Palin, prior to her actually getting the nomination, seems so uninterested/indifferent to getting the vp job. that to me is a turn off. i want someone who wants to lead, who wants to be vp or the pres.</p>

<p>Ok math major, good for you</p>

<p>Lol… nice…</p>

<p>So all government defense research and spending is waste? All of it? I rarely act as the pro-mlitary spending person, but even I don’t go that far. How about… the internet? or… spaceships? stealth-tech? or perhaps the grant money that’s keeping all of our nation’s research universities afloat? Is all that just pork? Hmmmmmmm…</p>

<p>And no, I believe ethanol (which requires using arable land and energy) is not much better a solution either. Solar power. Hydro. Heck, maybe even geothermal, wind, or nuclear if we must. Renewable energy. Energy that won’t take resources that should be appropriated elsewhere or solve our problems only temporarily. </p>

<p>And we’ve deviated from the topic of her perfectly-quaffed hair…</p>

<p>hahah pug, no rebuttal? is it because im right or is it because you’re wrong</p>

<p>Miss Pageant Princess doesn’t even know what her job is! And pugfug90, when you have a hole in your argument you admit it don’t just say good for you…pfft racist conservatives. What are we going to have to do to you guys?</p>

<p>I think the private industry does a good job of finding new stuff. Google, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, etc.</p>

<p>[CleanTech</a> VentureBeat](<a href=“http://venturebeat.com/category/cleantech/]CleanTech”>http://venturebeat.com/category/cleantech/)</p>

<p>Because our energy situation is becoming critical now, people are seeing incentives to develop things. Without the help of the government. Yes, the government has brought us space research, Internet, GPS, cool. The above link shows that the government is in excess and yet still in deep debt. It has no business trying to innovate.</p>

<p>Yes I believe in alternative energy, I just don’t want government sponsoring it.
[Feds</a> propose $100 million hydrogen prize - CNET News](<a href=“http://news.cnet.com/Feds-propose-100-million-hydrogen-prize/2100-1008_3-6065866.html]Feds”>CNET: Product reviews, advice, how-tos and the latest news)
This is the best government can do apparently.</p>

<p>Nor does it have any business trying to fight a useless war…wouldn’t you agree?</p>

<p>But didn’t you just defend Palin’s subsidizing natural gas companies? So… government sponsorship of private enterprise is okay but sponsorship of innovative private enterprise is not? Hmmmmmmm…</p>

<p>I don’t support a Kennedy style man to the moon brute approach, will throw all kinds of money to see something replace coal is !!!all I’m saying. Especially considering the financial crisis we are in now. [Perot</a> Charts » Charting Government Fiscal Irresponsibility](<a href=“http://perotcharts.com/]Perot”>http://perotcharts.com/)</p>

<p>What kind of approach do you think would be better? Right now, the government already subsidizes solar/wind with tax credits, and industry is doing as hard as it can to solver our problems.</p>

<p>Only if you think Bush should never have entered Iraq and that we should leave now to save more money…</p>

<p>(I’m waiting for it)</p>

<p>And you think that government sponsorship hasn’t made a positive impact in research advancement? Again, what about our unis that are just “thrown money” to look into such issues?</p>

<p>[MIT</a> spinoff shoots for solar power at $1 per watt | Green Tech - CNET News](<a href=“http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-9903728-54.html]MIT”>http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-9903728-54.html)</p>

<p>The fact that Palin regarded those who didn’t feel domestic drilling was THE answer were living in LaLa Land (either the Glenn Beck or Kudlow interview, probably both), again, makes me wonder whether she will take great initiative in that sort of energy reform. But since you say that you’re fiscally conservative as well, then that should be alright with you. Fact is, though, I think and I believe many would agree with me that we want our government to give us some solutions.</p>

<p>I’m not an ideologue. I take positions that work. They just happen to be on the Republican party most of the time.</p>

<p>The university-government-private enterprise relationship is a good one I think. No need to CHANGE it though.</p>

<p>So what do you think should be done differently? MIT had a budget and they focused it on this project, and it worked. That tends to happen when priorities are made and budgets are restrained. See the air force comfort capsules as an example of excess</p>

<p>[YouTube</a> - Obama Not Sure What Iraq Vote Would Have Been](<a href=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbO-kgB-ZI4]YouTube”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbO-kgB-ZI4)</p>

<p>SHAMEFUL</p>

<p>He says he’s always been against the war. Then in 2004, he said he wasn’t sure. Then on this show, he admits he lied to protect Kerry-Edwards.</p>

<p>Sick. Well, who knows what he would have voted. We know he’s a serial flip flopper bothwaysbarack.com [Obama:</a> NAFTA not so bad after all - Jun. 18, 2008](<a href=“Obama: NAFTA not so bad after all - Jun. 18, 2008”>Obama: NAFTA not so bad after all - Jun. 18, 2008) </p>

<p>McCain and Palin both risked their political careers by fighting their own party for change, Obama likes to say change.</p>

<p>lol McCain has been criticized as an ardent flip-flopper by some of the people who are going to speak at his convention. You can’t even deny this. Obama still called it correctly at first. Yes he wavered, but he got it at first which can’t be denied.</p>

<p>I’m still waiting for an answer pugfug.</p>

<p>There’s a difference between changing your positions to accomodate the realities of the situation and changing your positions to pander to a demographic. Obama ran partly as a netsroot leftist favorite that would’ve risen above partisan politics, yet he’s now a slight left of center Dem that will seek to destroy the Republican party by way of domination of the Senate, the House, and the presidency. scary.</p>

<p>Cervantes, that is stupid. So stupid. [Tancredo</a> Watch: “I voted for it before I voted against it”](<a href=“http://tancredowatch.blogspot.com/2006/10/i-voted-for-it-before-i-voted-against.html]Tancredo”>http://tancredowatch.blogspot.com/2006/10/i-voted-for-it-before-i-voted-against.html) I don’t know what you want me to answer, except I say that Obama’s blatant lie about Iraq is disingenuous.</p>