McCombs out of state question.

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<p>Hi, I just received a quasi-acceptance letter today from UT, telling me I've been accepted to the school (Undergrad Studies) based on my academic rank. I applied to McCombs though, and hearing how hard it is OOS and being unfamiliar with the admissions process for UT, I'd like to hear feedback (i.e. chance me).</p>

<p>I'm from Southern California, and I go to a pretty prestigious public school in northern San Diego (sends loads of students to the best schools annually, rich demographics). I applied to Wharton ED and was deferred. School doesn't rank because some many students are good (too many have above 4.0 GPAs), but I know I'm in the top 4% (around 4.0-4.2).</p>

<p>I have a 3.9 UW, 4.7 W, 33/2260 ACT/SAT, 700+ SAT IIs, and I am a well-rounded, sincere person. Many APs, all 5s except a pair of 4s. I'm not for judging what activities I do, but relatively speaking, I do a variety of things, but always in depth. I do things because I care about them, with little to no ulterior motives. I played two years of varsity water polo, too.</p>

<p>I know McCombs is prestigious, but I kinda marked UT as one of my safety schools (frantic rush after hearing my Penn decision). Do I have a shot?</p>

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<p>You are in the running, but I wouldn't call it a safety by any means. UT is a whore for class rank. Those who get in from instate have a rank in the top 2-3%. I haven't seen the ranking info for OOS but assume it is similar if not even harder. I wish I could give you a more definitive answer but can't. Good luck!</p>

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<p>Wait, did you get a letter saying you have been accepted into the School of Undergraduate Studies? If you received a formal letter like that, I think it meant you were accepted into the School of Undergraduate Studies, not McCombs Business School? Unless it says something like you are admitted and the school you will be admitted to has not been determined for sure. Starting next fall, the School of Undergraduate Studies is where they put undecided freshmen, so things are different this year than they have been in the past. </p>

<p>Your stats look to me like the stats of someone who would be admitted straight into McCombs as a freshman.</p>

<p>What I can't figure is how UT could send you a letter saying you are in based on your rank when you go to a school that doesn't rank! :)</p>

<p>Here are the Schools at UT
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<p>If you do end up admitted to the School of Undergraduate Studies and you came to UT and your college work was anything like your high school work (very impressive!), you would take distribution requirements your freshman year and then transfer into McCombs for your second year. They have a session on how to do this at summer orientation. It is not uncommon. McCombs is hard to get into as a freshman. </p>

<p>Your AP scores would serve you well at UT - They are very generous with awarding AP credit - my daughter just finished her first semester at UT and on paper she is considered a junior because she has 63 credits.</p>

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<p>Thanks for your responses. I know I've only been admitted to the school, but I was just wondering if I had a shot at McCombs right away. As much as I like UT, I'm not interested in going there without getting into McCombs right away. UT the school alone doesn't satiate me in terms of what I want academically, although I'd enjoy myself there. =]</p>

<p>By the way, the letter actually said "Because you are a leading applicant." The school I go to doesn't rank, but the counselors keep a class rank list for themselves. I found out I was top 4% of the school based on the ELC program for UC schools.</p>

<p>Nonetheless, I know rank is key at UT, but I have a 4.7 and I'm at 4%. That's kind of astronomical, eh? Does UT take this into consideration? And another thing, I turned in my app on January 15 and got the letter yesterday (but marked January 21 on the letter). So my resume must have stood out to the general admissions committee, even though that's not McCombs. And since it's pretty hard OOS to get into UT, I must have something going for me?</p>

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<p>I think you have a great chance at getting into McCombs. I'd say you should be hearing back within the next few weeks. </p>

<p>It's kinda cool that your school had Varsity Water Polo. I wish I had that at my school.</p>

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<p>I find it amusing that you are concerned with gaining admission into your "safety." I'm not sure why you think your stats are astronomical since McCombs is filled will students who have a higher rank than you. You have a bit of an attitude, as if UT and McCombs should be groveling at your feet, begging you to come. I wonder if your essays reflect that. As far as your resume impressing someone for general admission, that is almost entirely driven by stats. Your stats qualify, so you were admitted. </p>

<p>Why not look at UC-Berkeley? Maybe they can satiate you.</p>

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<p>No, no, no, don't get me wrong. I know McCombs is hard to get into, but relatively speaking, that's my safety school. I am applying to some other prestigious schools as well. Deferred from Wharton, NYU Stern, HYPS, Swarthmore, Davidson, Emory, Cornell (AEM). I know it's a hefty list, and after hearing of my Penn decision, I decided to give McCombs a shot because I felt that I had a solid chance of getting in. Do I feel that I have an attitude? No. I just believe that I could get into McCombs.</p>

<p>I was just wondering how McCombs admissions worked. I know my rank isn't great,, but I do have a 4.7 W and am ranked in the top 4% at a top 100 school. And to me anything inside 5% is pretty good. That's what I meant by astronomical. There's so many kids at the school I go to who have done so much better than I have done, yet I feel that I've done well myself. My stats are good but not great, it's just the absolutely stellar people have put me in my place. My question simply is that I'm not sure how the McCombs people judge that, since top 4% at my school might correlate with valedictorian at another. Not saying it would, just saying it could.</p>

<p>I don't think I have an ego, and I'm not trying to be condescending. I'm just not sure how the McCombs admission process works.</p>

<p>As for Berkeley, no way. Too liberal of an environment for me; I can't stand the culture there, and I want to get as far away from California as possible. I have my moral tenets, and as open-minded as I try to be, Berkeley just isn't for me.</p>

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<p>"As for Berkeley, no way. Too liberal of an environment for me; I can't stand the culture there, and I want to get as far away from California as possible. I have my moral tenets, and as open-minded as I try to be, Berkeley just isn't for me."</p>

<p>I hear ya. I moved to SFO and returned to TX after two weeks.. :P</p>

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33/2260 ACT/SAT, 700+ SAT IIs, and I am a well-rounded, sincere person. Many APs, all 5s except a pair of 4s

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You do know that a good number of the other 8000 freshmen will also have impressive stats, right? Like at your high school, there are "absolutely stellar" people at UT.</p>

<p>Your UT admissions officer is assigned to your specific H.S. Since it is a top 100 school, I am sure your admissions officer knows what a competitive school it is (San Diego High School for International Studies, maybe?). Good luck!</p>

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<p>"As for Berkeley, no way. Too liberal of an environment for me; I can't stand the culture there, and I want to get as far away from California as possible. I have my moral tenets, and as open-minded as I try to be, Berkeley just isn't for me."</p>

<p>Austin is usually considered the bright, blue beacon of Texas.
Have you considered the Pepperdine? In Malibu. They are very conservative and may equate more closely to the "moral tenets" you espouse to along with a education that I'm sure would be quite "satiating."
It really is an excellent program, if you can stomach one of the most conservative campuses in the nation. And, the location is absolutely picturesque. In California.</p>

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<p>You didn't want to apply to Berkeley since you don't want to live somewhere too liberal. You also applied to schools in Boston and NYC. Interesting.</p>

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<p>Wonderful, I go here and get bashed and mocked. I just think I'm telling the truth, and asking some questions. As for my social positions, I'm open-minded, extremely compassionate, reverent, and do things for the right reasons. That's why Berkeley won't work for me. I have many friends who have gone there. I just can't imagine myself there. I never considered Pepperdine. I deserve better. You might as well go preach that college is what you make of it. Blah, blah, blah... Call me arrogant, but I think too highly of myself to go to any school lower than that "second tier" of schools. The schools I applied to, Emory, Davidson, etc.</p>

<p>I'm not stupid, sure I applied to all of those east coast schools, but solely for their business programs. And the campus culture isn't as bad as Berkeley's culture is. And you don't understand the Berkeley environment.</p>

<p>Thank you all for your comments, I've done a bit more research and have learned more about the McCombs admission. Hopefully in the top 300 they consider to fill that 25% of their class. Thread closed.</p>

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<p>2007 Report, Table 7e and 9e.</p>

<p>For the class entering UT in the fall of 2006, 730 freshmen who were "Texas high school top 10% kids" enrolled in McCombs and 29 freshmen who were not "Texas high school top 10% kids" enrolled in McCombs. </p>

<p>Among the Not Texas High School Top 10% (which includes out of state and international students):</p>

<p>The mean SAT score for those classified as white was 1440. The mean SAT score for those classified as Asian was 1444. </p>

<p>Males were 19 of the 29. Their mean SAT score was 1461.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.utexas.edu/student/admissions/research/HB588-Report10.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.utexas.edu/student/admissions/research/HB588-Report10.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>MidwestMom, thank you for the information. Quite informative. From that data, I figure I have a good shot, depending on what my PAI score is. I probably got the general acceptance letter b/c my AI score was high enough (1550 SAT, btw I'm Asian). I guess I'll see how they judge my life now... =]</p>

<p>From my academic data (besides rank, and my rank is still good), McCombs would be a solid match for me. Since my school doesn't officially rank, that would probably help my case too since they would judge my data not only by what my school provides, but also other Texas and OOC applicants. McCombs really seem to judge OOCs by their PAI score, though, so we'll see what happens.</p>

<p>Again, thank you for researching my case. I really appreciate your help.</p>

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<p>I wasn't bashing you, just wondering why one was too liberal and other famously liberal places were not. </p>

<p>You do come across cocky in your writing. Also too, Austin is fairly liberal, including UT, although nowhere near the level of the other places mentioned. Your comments about Berkeley being too liberal and not a good match for your moral tenets might not have been well received. </p>

<p>If I came across as bashing you, I apologize. What I read was someone speaking about my school as if it were beneath him, a substitute for someone who couldn't get into a real school. I made my comments with that in mind. </p>

<p>I do have a fair understanding of Berkeley actually. I have a friend from here in Austin who attends. It isn't her ideal place either but she makes the most of it. Berkeley isn't for everyone. I mentioned it because they have a highly regarded business program and it is instate for tuition purposes. </p>

<p>One last thing. No one deserves Harvard, Yale, Princeton or the other schools to which you applied. Your writing on here comes across as someone with a feeling of entitlement. With the rejections you mentioned, maybe that message comes across in your essays as well. You may think this is a bashing statement, but it is not meant as one. </p>

<p>I wish you the best on your college search. You are bright and I'm sure you will get into a great school. College is what you make of it. That doesn't apply only to TTTs. </p>

<p>Thread closed? Only the moderator does that.</p>

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<p>Ok, ok, I have nothing against UT, and people don't usually see me as cocky, so I beg to differ. If you see my posts as that, I apologize, but so be it. In regards to the schools I'm applying to, they are all reaches. I know that, since no one is a lock for any of those schools. I'm just saying that I feel I would fit at any of those school, and the my body of work of work merits spots in those schools, although me getting in is a long shot. Nothing against UT, follow their sports teams pretty closely, sympathized with them when they got snubbed for the BCS Championship. It's just that, relatively speaking, it's my safety school, and the least prestigious academic school I'm considering (after UCSD and UC Davis). If I got into McCombs, different story. But for now, while I'm happy that I'm a Longhorn and I got a sweatshirt, it's not like I'll go to the College and transfer. That doesn't interest me.</p>

<p>As for liberal places, you're misconstruing my comments. I'm open-minded, kind, and tolerant enough to be fine with any school. Anyways, all of the elite schools has some sort of a liberal slant. It's just that Berkeley's a lot different. I've been there multiple times, have been to the city too many times to count, know a lot of people there. I just don't fit there. And I don't want to stay in California.</p>

<p>As for my academic record, yeah I realize UT judges a lot on rank, but when I have a 4.7W at a top 100 school, a 1550 M/CR SAT, recognition from my peers and teachers for the community service I've never even told anyone about, and have worked professionally in the web design/development field doing projects for Fortune 500-type companies, I think rank can't be the sole factore, especially when I feel that I deserve a spot at my measly 4% rank over some guy who's in the top 2% but isn't as qualified as I am.</p>

<p>And serious Fiyero, lighten up. When I say thread closed, do you think I'm really being literal? Perhaps you should look at the connotations of my words. Hopefully I'll learn that soon... Gist of my point, if you don't have something nice to say, don't say it. Understand what I'm stating. You're seeing me as the opposite of who I really am, and it peeves me.</p>

<p>Nonetheless, thank you all for your comments. I've learned what I wanted to know about the process. Hopefully I hear good things from them soon.</p>

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<p>Your last post comes across entirely different from your first ones. </p>

<p>What I said was not said to be mean, although you may not see it that way. It was honest. If you are offended by that, I'm sorry. It is an internet forum. </p>

<p>In my opinion, you should get in or be strongly considered for it. UT doesn't go by my opinion, or that of anyone else. They have odd ways of preferences such as class rank being way over valued. It is not fair but it is the way it is. The whole ranking thing came about due to the top ten percent rule, which sucks. What you are experiencing is what others due from top publics in Texas. At another school, you could be the valedictorian. Yet you attended a very competitive school and get penalized for it. Minority enrollment is up from the top ten law but it screws over others in the process. It needs fixed. UT wants to change it but the state legislature won't approve it. </p>

<p>I never stated to attend UT if you didn't get into McCombs and later transfer internally. It is a valid way to enter the school, but I didn't state it for you. I'm not sure how I credit/blame for that. </p>

<p>Thread closed. I thought you got in a twist and left. Connotations do not always come across in print.</p>

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<p>"I'm a Longhorn and I got a sweatshirt, it's not like I'll go to the College and transfer"</p>

<p>You got a sweatshirt? Man, I'm getting screwed here, I saw another guy who got a shirt. Why aren't I getting any free merchandise ;)</p>