<p>I thought it was the other way around? U of T's Rotman School is indeed better. But for undergrad, Mcgill is better than U of Toronto.</p>
<p>undergrad shld be as follows (i think):
1. Queens
2. Mcgill
3. Western
4. York/ U of Toronto</p>
<p>naff is right....i agree with him about rotmans being better at the graduate level...but undergrad mcgill is better....and also kaitiebee u say u are not baised but u yet only name universities from ontario...whr are u from?</p>
<p>nah according to canadian people the rankings are as follows</p>
<p>1.queens
2.western
3.york
4.mcgill
5 toronto
6.UBC</p>
<p>or we can just put them into groups</p>
<p>first tier - queens, western, york
second tier - mcgill, UBC, toronto, laurier...</p>
<p>i was mainly basing the fact tha U of T is better than McGill for post-grad.....any implication that that held true for undergrad was misinformed, i'm realizing after researching a bit more thoroughly-sorry about that. in other words, naff i agree with you now.</p>
<p>yes, the schools that i named are all in ontario, which is where i'm from. but since ontario is the most populous canadian province, there just happen to be many large and reputable schools here. as i have mentioned several times, McGill is an awesome school, reputationally and otherwise, but regarding reputation in business i just think that there are several more reputable programs out there, and i don't mean to demean the program in any way when saying that. this point has been supported by other posters:</p>
<p>dkm008: " would say after queens, western and schulich...mcgill is the best of business in canada..."</p>
<p>"nah according to canadian people the rankings are as follows</p>
<p>1.queens
2.western
3.york
4.mcgill
5 toronto
6.UBC"</p>
<p>shulich @ york, ivey @ western and queen's are seen as the best three commerce programs (undergrad) in canada not only by me, but by most canadians. is it geographically unfortunate that all of these schools are in the same province? yes! but that doesn;t take away from the fact that it's what has happened.</p>
<p>It's weird how western/york are placed above mcgill for biz. It's darn easy to gain admission to both of these schools. From where I'm from(Singapore), counselors only advise/recommend mcgill, U of T, Ubc, queen. (respectively)</p>
<p>hey naff? which school are you planning to go? Out of the four that u've mentioned? and.. where are you currentlying studyin at?</p>
<p>Hi there. I appiled to several schools in the US and Canada. I'll rank them in terms of my fav. Here are my replies so far.
University of Virginia (waitlisted)
U of Michigan (deferred)
Mcgill (admitted)
UIUC (admitted)
Purdue (admitted)
U of Toronto (admitted)
Singapore Management Uni (admitted)
National Uni of Singapore (admitted)</p>
<p>So I guess I'll be attending Mcgill this fall.</p>
<p>"It's weird how western/york are placed above mcgill for biz. It's darn easy to gain admission to both of these schools. From where I'm from(Singapore), counselors only advise/recommend mcgill, U of T, Ubc, queen. (respectively)"</p>
<p>yeah i know what you mean.....my mom went to ivey and when she tells people she went to western they're kind of indifferent, but if she says ivey instead they're really impressed. the other programs of these schools are generally good but not amazing, but for some reason their business programs are powerhouses. likewise, york's law school is generally seen as one of the best ones in canada.</p>
<p>how do these canadian business programs rank against some us business programs?</p>
<p>well it seems that york and northwestern share an executive mba.. it's only advertised in the globe twice a day</p>
<p>ps- mcgill cut off for arts last year was 84% not 88%... my friend got in with an 84%</p>
<p>just becasue york and northwestern share an executive mba doesnt mean much for undergrad....i mean cornell and queens share their mba program but for bcom u cant even do an exchange in cornell</p>
<p>also the cutoffs in the mcleans book - 05 i hav say mcgills cutoff for arts is 89....maybe it means the average "entering average" and not the minimum and also maybe she had stellar recs or somehting</p>
<p>yeah it must refer to entrance average, since i know people who have gotten in with 82s and 83s.</p>
<p>I went to McGill. I work on Wall Street and make well over $100K in my first year out of school. I am not an exception. Sure it was ranked #1 by MacLeans, sure it has one of the highest entering grades in Canada, sure it produces more Rhodes Scholars than any other Canadian school and sure it was ranked as Playboy's top 10 party schools. That doesn't matter and frankly, who cares. What matters is that every major firm will recruit at McGill and you will get a job. It is the ONLY internationally recognized Canadian university. Period.</p>
<p>Why?</p>
<p>As far as Americans are concerned:</p>
<p>U of T = University of Texas</p>
<p>Queen's = It's a sketchy area of New York - Queens College (City University of NY)...however, to most they think of the one at Oxford but then are disappointed when they find out it's in Kingston, Ontario. Also, Queen's College Bahamas, Queens' College Cambridge, Queens College Mallorca (Spain), Queens University of Charlotte, Queen's University of Belfast...take your pick</p>
<p>Western - Here's a conversation about Western:</p>
<ul>
<li>I went to Western?</li>
<li>Western what? Virginia? </li>
<li>No, Ivey School of Business </li>
<li>You went to Princeton? </li>
<li>No</li>
<li>Harvard?</li>
<li>No</li>
<li>Yale? </li>
<li>No</li>
<li>Brown??? </li>
<li>No...University of Western of Ontario, Richard Ivey is the dude that gave us some cash</li>
<li>Oh...where's Ontario, is that in California?</li>
</ul>
<p>priceless-</p>
<p>that's hilarious! but those reactions are from random people, correct? lol obviously employers aren't that ignorant about commerce programs in a country that's right next door.</p>
<p>hahaha.... lmao
that's funny!!
anymore?</p>
<p>Employers are companies. Companies are made of people. People are ignorant. I know this is scary but this is the reality. Even more scary is that company hiring is run out of HR and HR is generally even more ignorant than regular people.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, things like brand name, image, reputation and pedigree are more important than quality of education and what you actually learn in school. I work in finance and work with morons. They are ivey league morons but morons nonetheless. Wall street firms go to these ivey league schools and hire the 67th ranked guy from Yale but guess what, he's a moron too. How about that guy that sits beside me from Harvard? Also a moron. What about Mr. Stanford across the hall? Actually, not so much of a moron but a complete social outcast and couldn't get a date if he paid for it (trust me, he's tried).</p>
<p>I know what your thinking, getting a job should be a concern. Well, as much as would love to be some idealistic hippie trying not to sell out to the "man", it's nice to be able to pay the bills and buy that Mercedes Benz SLK55 AMG Roadster that I've had my eye on.</p>
<p>Frankly, you will use about 1% of what you learn in school on your job. I don't want to discourage you because school is about being educated and not necessarily about what you learn. Although I rarely use multi-variable calculus on the job, it teaches you how to think and solve problems. More importantly, it's about how much you party. Getting a 3.8 GPA is pretty meaningless given that it's not like I look back on my senior year and say to all my friends, "Dude, remember that time I aced that accounting exam...I really showed that professor." No. I say, "Dude, remember when we did the century club and hooked up with those random girls on the dance floor."</p>
<p>and do think that as a dual citizen i've spent years defending americans when they're accused of ignorance......lol. it disappoints me to hear that people are shortsighted enough to not understand that every program from a particular school is exactly the same, and will take even less time to understand that this is true for universities outside of the country. </p>
<p>also, a question:</p>
<p>"What matters is that every major firm will recruit at McGill and you will get a job."</p>
<p>i don't think that this is true-as far as i have heard, and believe, from many people who have been hired and who have hired other people, it's that a degree from a specific university will get you an interview but not a job. it's up to you to do that for yourself.</p>