<p>For a transfer student that is interested in McGill and/or the University of Toronto that is really looking for on-campus housing (at least for one year) and the best academics Canada has to offer, which school would you recommend?</p>
<p>Major: Economics</p>
<p>Toronto is richer than McGill. It's larger too. Too large for comfort.</p>
<p>My cousin in canada said she chose mcgill over toronto because the undergrad programme is much better at mcgill. Toronto is a really good school but their focus is on their grad school (which is apparently fabulous).</p>
<p>well I'd say they're pretty much equal in terms of undergraduate education (not sure about economics). McGill is more internationally reputable though.</p>
<p>brand, go to Yale, why are you applying to Canadian schools?
but if you love our maple leaves and beaver, then Toronto is a better choice than McGill :) (biased opinion :D)</p>
<p>Newby I think you're right...I should just go to Yale huh :rolleyes:</p>
<p>How's the housing at Toronto? I haven't been able to find out anything from their website...but McGill has shown that they house VERY few.</p>
<p>^whaaattt!?</p>
<p>McGill just got a new hotel that they converted into a residence hall. It's very luxurious.</p>
<p>please reference that info phroz3n</p>
<p>also any transfers to mcgill or toronto have luck getting housing for at least one year?</p>
<p>so McGill is catching up to UofT of 2002?
We had a 4 star hotel since like 3 or 4 years ago!
89 Chestnut Residence (which still hires the hotel's chefs and staff!!!)
we also have many new residences at PRIME location in Downtown Toronto!
Brand, a student of your caliber will easily excel here, so i am telling you, go to a top school in america :), that's why i am trying to transfer out :)</p>
<p>lol really that easy? where are you trying to transfer to?</p>
<p>rejected from Dartmouth 2wice, going for dartmouth for the last time, penn and columbia added to the list :), maybe more lol</p>
<p>I ve heard that its unjustly harder for US students to get in Mcgill or UToronto. (maybe biased)</p>
<p>what? getting into mcgill and toronto are extremely easy for US students</p>
<p>really? there were couple of kids have 2200~2300 SAT I and were said by other people that they dont have a sure shot to Mcgill, well, I live in Montreal, personally think its very easy to get into Mcgill for me</p>
<p>and who would these other people be?</p>
<p>The average SAT score is relatively low for McGill and U of T. I've also spoken with adcoms from both schools and they both say SATs of around 1300 almost guarantee acceptance.</p>
<p>I didn't apply to UofT (too expensive), but McGill is almost completely based on SATs and GPA and as long as you have a relatively decent GPA and SATs above 1300, it shouldn't be too hard to get in.</p>
<p>Cool, a fellow Econ major. </p>
<p>I would take UofT's (this is the correct abbrievation by the way) grad program over McGill ANYDAY of the week. UofT has an incredible Econ program at the grad level. It absolutely shines in most aspects of the social sciences actually. However, UofT has a mixed reputation for it's undergrad program, particularly it's treatment of its students, especially the commuter students who don't live downtown. Economics at UofT has much more of a math focus then other Canadian schools from what I've been told and the early year classes are much bigger then what most people are used to. I've heard of classes at UofT being 2000-3000 students large. I've sat in on Econ lectures at UofT, very interesting. I was born and raised in Toronto so UofT has always been an institution that people have told me to aim for.</p>
<p>McGill's Econ program is good as well, but as far as the social sciences go it more directed towards political programs like International Relations and Development. I take Econ at McGill and have made some decent headway into the department and professors. All are top notch quality except for one who I think is a douche. What made me go to McGill however was: Cost of living in Montreal. Quebecois culture. Chance to learn another language.</p>
<p>Ultimately, if you're doing undergraduate education, forget which school is better. McGill and UofT are so similiar in quality of education that you won't be missing out on very much if you go to one or the other. They are both awesome schools that I've had great educational experiences at both. It doesn't matter which school is number 1 or 2 or 3 or 4. The seperation between each are not that significant and the numbers at that level are largely arbitrary. What it should come down to is which city is better for you to live in for the next 3-4 (or more if you plan on doing grad work) years.</p>
<p>Pros Toronto:
Great access to public transit, especially in and around downtown where you'll likely be living. Very clean subway system as well. After seeing duct taped seats in Boston and creepy old men ejaculating on the New York metro this is really important to me.
Very safe and clean city. One of the safest in the world probably.
Incredibly dynamic and multicultural. Most multicultural city in the world according to the United Nations. I think it's a great experiment of how multiculturalism works.
Great night life. More than one party district. I'm not a theatre buff but Toronto ranks behind London and New York for live theatre in the world. Lots of movies filmed up here. There really is something for everyone from working class slobs who like to watch the game on Saturday nights to uppity tight assed yuppies to like to discuss the finer points of recently opened Modiglani at the Art Gallery of Ontario.</p>
<p>Cons:
Certain neighbourhoods are pretty much dead after 6:00.
Last call is 2AM. 2AM?!
In terms of fashion, the most fashionable people in Toronto are a good year behind the average person in Montreal.
Toronto lacks a certain identity that other cities have.
Everyone in Canada hates Toronto. I'm still waiting for them to give me legitimate reasons, but that doesn't change the fact that they hate Toronto.
Pollution that comes from Ohio Valley. Summer heat. Crazy winters. Can't swim in Lake Ontario.
Surrounded by vast expanses of suburbs. Mississauga for instance borders the east Toronto and is the largest suburb in the world. It's a city with a mayor and it's own public institutions but it's essentially a city that lives off of communiting to Toronto and 750,000 people live there. It'll probably be the first suburban metropolis in a couple years. Disgusting.
Traffic is bad.
High cost of living. Rents are high, alcohol is expensive.
City administrators are incompotent especially with transit. They still can't decide whether to fund more public transit or build more freeways. Both sides lose out in the end so you have traffic congestion and monthly metropasses that cost $100.</p>
<p>Montreal Pros:</p>
<p>Quebecois culture.
Bilingual city. Ever see a guy tell off another guy in two languages? Ever been asked for change in two languages? It's something that's uniquely Montreal.
Small, densely populated city on an island so everything is easily accesible.
Low cost of living. Ridiculously low cost of living. I don't know how they do it.
The Metro system here isn't as large or clean as Toronto but at least people here have an idea of where they want it to be in five, ten years. Monthly metropass is $33.75 for students. Metro also raches more of Montreal compared to Toronto.
Best night life in North America. Montreal is the true Sin City of North America.
Great food.
Vieux Montreal <--- Awesome neighbourhood.
Also very diverse and multicultural, but not as Toronto.
Great university city.
Beautiful women. Lots of style here.
Most stores close at five and on Sundays. Laid back city, less stress. Less emphasis on work.
Lots of "sophiscated" cultural institutions here if you the type of person.
Nice architecture.</p>
<p>Cons:
City is dirty. Not polluted, but flat out dirty.
The smell on St. Catherines and Cresent after on Friday mornings through Sunday mornings.
Metro is small, poorly ventilated and smells like ass sometimes.
Homelessness.
French-English conflict still quite visible in some places.
Mont Tremblanc is nearby for skiing. Mont Royal provides a great view of the city.
Skyline sucks.
Worst drivers in Canada. By far.
Roads are in horrible shape.
Civic workers are freakin' lazy. I understand there is less of an emphasis on the "live to work" philosophy here, but my God sometimes its ridiculous.
Why does everyone in this city smoke?</p>
<p>My sis goes to Toronto, she just told me 2-3 days ago. how this profess from ivy league came to her shcool and said UT is a very very diff. school to get a decent mark.</p>
<p>tks ICrisis that's more than I could ever ask for lol</p>
<p>tjsgk90, your sis's opinion is biased! and the prof is just complementing U of T because he was here! i mean, would you ever go to a community college just to bash them?
U of T is not that difficult</p>