<p>What terms should I search for on google for example to find sites like the above? I tried <school name=""> medical school acceptance rates premed statistics, etc. as keywords, and I'm not getting good results (or any at all)...</school></p>
<p>Specifically, I am interested in Dartmouth, Brown, Yale, Tufts, Amherst, Williams and Middlebury. If anyone happens to know the links to these (and others if you'd like) and could post them here, that'd be great too.</p>
<p>IamGandhi2k7, I was looking more for a undergrad school's students' acceptance rates at med schools like the link above. Still, the links are quite informative and I'm sure I'll find a good use for them :) thanks</p>
<p>norcalguy, I agree that admissions percentages are flawed...still, does that mean they cannot even be used for comparative purposes? </p>
<p>Most likely incorrect and totally unfounded hypothesis: their rates are flawed to roughly the same degree, so apply a complex formula to all the numbers and get the actual! j/k</p>
<p>No they're flawed b/c they aren't equal comparisons due to school specific policies on who is allowed to apply or what kind of recommendation they receive on their behalf.</p>
<p>At some schools there is a pre-med committee who pre-screens candidates and tells them whether or not they have the committees backing. Other schools the influence is less overt, but can still be significant. </p>
<p>Compare this to your average state school which does no screening and allows anyone that wants to apply do so...even if it's on a bet for someone who has taken none of the required classes...</p>
<p>We have a million threads on this. if you want a deeper discussion I suggest you do a search first.</p>
<p>Look, the acceptance rates follow generally according to the strength of the student body. All Top 20 schools that have released their stats (MIT, Cornell, Princeton, Duke, etc.) have 75%+ acceptance rates. The only outlier is MIT which has an intelligent student body but "only" a 75% acceptance rate.</p>
<p>Bigredmed, I could not find a place/thread with all the stats. Perhaps my searching skills aren't up to par? (they really are not very good actually) But you're right, this general topic has been discussed a lot.</p>
<p>I wasn't saying the stats were present on this website because we try to quash this line of thinking pretty early. What I was saying is that this topic has been oft-discussed and you can see all the various reasons and opinions on why this metric is a poor one to use when comparing undergrads.</p>
<p>If you must use a single metric, the best one to use is to subtract the average accepted student's GPA from the average GPA received in science classes. (Er, reverse that.)</p>
<p>I actually find those statistics a tad surprising. First, I surmise from them that no MIT students score a 40+ on the MCAT. Second, the acceptance rates are low for some of the modestly selective schools. Finally, MIT students are scoring a 25 on the MCAT???????? Are you serious?????</p>
<p>1.) In 2004, only 0.2% of all MCAT test-takers (about 140 people) scored a 40+. MIT probably has a smaller-than-(say)-Duke population of premeds. Even if we're reading the chart correctly -- and we might not be -- that's not a particularly surprising result.</p>
<p>2.) Every school has idiots, and a 25 on the MCAT is considerably above what I would consider idiocy. It is, after all, above the mean for MCAT test-takers. In any case for a single MIT student to score, say, a 12 would not surprise me. Every school has idiots.</p>
<p>3.) Most shocking is how high the minimum GPAs are.</p>
<p>I don't think there's anything wrong with MIT except that it's so difficult that premeds don't have time to do research/clinical/etc. I would also tend to guess that the students at MIT might be a little more socially-challenged than students at other schools. This is all conjecture of course. But MIT graduates might need higher GPAs to compensate for the deficiencies in other aspects of their app.</p>
<p>When I was a student at Williams (not long ago) between 3 and 5 people each year would get a 40+ on the MCAT. I would expect a science-oriented school like MIT to enroll many more people with scores in this range.</p>
<p>I suspect that engineers do poorly, relative to their gpa's, in med school admission because med schools favor applicants whom they believe have better developed people skills. They think that the massive amount of work leaves little time for people oriented EC's in college, and that students who are willing to do this may not have the people orientation needed for successful medical careers.</p>
<p>I do not find anything surprising about the minimum gpa's. Many are lower than the overall mean for medical schools.</p>
<p>The most important thing to notice is the low overall acceptance rates, with many in the single digits.</p>
<p>Finally, an MIT education may not be the best for scoring high on the MCAT's. MIT emphasizes analysis of scientific principles, and training students to be scientists. The MCAT is more a test of knowledge (as opposed to understanding). MIT may not pitch its courses to preparing students for this test.</p>
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I would strongly disagree with this. The MCAT is almost completely a test of **verbal **critical thinking. While it requires knowledge, it's based around interpreting information provided to you in a written science passage.</p>
<p>Yeah, I find this quite surprising considering that MIT kids come in with high SAT scores, many with perfect scores. Since none of the MCAT scores are above a 40, this probably indicates a flaw in the MIT educational system in preparing kids for the MCAT or the lack of time the students face in preparing due to a ton of work.</p>
<p>Seriously, kids, there are literally 140 kids across the entire country who score 40's out of 70,000 test-takers. Their absence at any one school really, really doesn't say anything.</p>
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I do not find anything surprising about the minimum gpa's. Many are lower than the overall mean for medical schools.
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Obviously the minimums are going to be lower than the means. That doesn't take away from the fact that the minimums are still so shockingly high.</p>
<p>"Yeah, I find this quite surprising considering that MIT kids come in with high SAT scores, many with perfect scores. Since none of the MCAT scores are above a 40, this probably indicates a flaw in the MIT educational system in preparing kids for the MCAT or the lack of time the students face in preparing due to a ton of work."</p>
<p>I know! Gosh, not a single 40? What's wrong with these MIT kids ???!!!!</p>