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You’d be surprised…</p>
<p>Talking with one Senior over lunch about the situation, when he received his on-campus scholarship from the ROTC, his other aid (nominal named scholarships) were discontinued as he was “getting enough aid already”. Not a life changing situation, by any means (the money from the Army far outweighed his nominal scholarships), but a little surprise to him. </p>
<p>All depends upon the school…</p>
<p>Just an update on the Board of Reviews. My daughter spoke to a PMO yesterday and he indicated the Board meets next week. I had thought they were meeting this week. This is just a data point; I’m not sure he is correct, but if so, award notifications might not go out until very late in the month.</p>
<p>No, Mariner, no. Say it ain’t so! :(</p>
<p>Makes sense that they meet next week as the last board’s deadline to accept is tomorrow (12/5) per the letters mailed out. They can re-order the OML adding all the newly completed applications, but I would think they cannot make any decisions about where to award scholarships until they know where the first batch of scholarship winners accepted.</p>
<p>It has been strangely quiet around Cadet Command, as I have unsuccessfully recently tried to contact our person there to clear up what seems to be a misunderstanding about how the taping of goaliegirl done at her interview (she exceeds height/weight standards due to her athletic build but passed taping) was handled in her interview file. Got a late notice early this week that one school was unaware that she had been taped (they suggested that she be (future tense) taped). Hoping that didn’t ding her with units or CC in her score.</p>
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dont count on it. no one makes a student live on campus. tuition and room & board are two (actually three) separate pots. Unlike tuition, room & board are self-supporting. there is no room to ‘cut a break’ on room & board costs - which IMO are spiraling out of control.</p>
<p>goaliedad - also it could be that the scholarships from the school were designated for tuition only, or not.<br>
If you are applying for financial aid, IMO you should not inform the financial aid office of a ROTC scholarship until you have written notification of a scholarship - if your scholarship is conditional (contingent on getting a medical waiver) then wait. If you get your financial aid award before your scholarship expect the financial aid office to review and make changes to your award.</p>
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<p>Could very well be. Didn’t ask that question.</p>
<p>I imagine many schools treat the R&B operations as a separate self-funding operation from the educational side and agree that at some institutions, this is spiraling out of control. </p>
<p>We could have some interesting situations to choose from. One private school’s R&B is more than 2x one public’s R&B, while 2 other private schools (that doesn’t segregate the R&B operations from the education operations) offer full R&B to all 4-year scholarship winners. </p>
<p>Of course, this all depends upon actually winning the scholarship and passing the physical exam.</p>
<p>Tick, tock, tick, tock…</p>
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Actually a number of colleges require at least freshmen to live on campus unless you live within a certain distance from the college. The example I used above requires both freshmen and sophomores to live on campus. Assuming 4K for “board”, it is easy to understand why they would want to collect 8k for a double room.</p>
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Yes, it does. We intend to apply for FA and negotiate BEFORE advising the FA officer about the ROTC scholarship (if we are fortunate to get one). I will make absolutely certain to get two answers before telling them about ROTC:
<p>I really think it is an individual decision, but in our case we need to be willing to “walk away” if the college is willing to take the ROTC scholarship money and not contribute any of the FA they were willing to give BEFORE they found out about it. Fortunately my daughter has already been accepted into some fine programs that cost substantially less than her first choice. Guess we just have to wait…tick…tock…tick…tock</p>
<p>I apologize in advance that this will be a long entry, but the group has been very helpful and I would appreciate any input you have. Here are the key points:</p>
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<li>My daughter was accepted Early Decision into her #1 school (her stretch school) yesterday. </li>
<li>After seeing all of your input, she talked by phone this week to the PMS at her #1 and #2 school. The PMS of #1 said that they normally have about 12 scholarships mixed between local and national. This year they will receive 4 national scholarships and NO local. They might get 2 more national. </li>
<li>He said the school had 75 applications for ROTC scholarships. He had determined only 25 would have a chance to get admitted into the school. He said my daughter was in the top 10. </li>
<li>He also said he was submitting his recommendations on the applications tomorrow as part of the board of review process. He said my daughter’s chances were “good”. </li>
<li>Finally, he said there was some type of National Guard program that is similar to ROTC she might consider if she does not get an ROTC scholarship. </li>
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<p>I’m surprised the level of scholarships was cut so much. It is probably the impact of both a drop in Army funding and the school is in CA, which is probably why local scholarships went to zero. The bottom line is she is competing for just four scholarships against 75 others, of which I guess about 10-20 are still in the running. Tonight, my daughter is emaiing the #1 PMS the resume package she prepared for her October PMS interview (done locally since both school #1 and #2 are not nearby). </p>
<p>Is there anything else that would make sense for her to do? If she does not get an offer initially from school #1, is there any chance she could get an offer later in the year? Does anyone know anything about a National Guard option?</p>
<p>The remaining Army scholarship boards are scheduled to meet as follows:
F 12/8
G 1/12/2010
H 1/26
I 2/9
J 3/2
K 3/16
L 4/6
Your question about whether she can get an offer later in the year would seem to be yes. Remember that the “top” 6 applicants that may be offered scholarships at your daughter’s #1 college may not all accept (some will have also applied to service academies or other ROTC programs), some may not pass the the Dodmerb physical and some may just decide the military isn’t for them. The final offerings of scholarships will probably extend until near the end of April 2010 (about the time your daughter has to commit to a college).</p>
<p>Sorry I can’t help you with the National Guard portion of your question.</p>
<p>Your daughter is in a tough place. It is fortunate though that you were able to get that ED decision in front of the #1 school PMS in time for that recommendation. I’m sure that he is aware that she is committed to that school by the ED admission. It sounds like he is doing the honorable thing by bumping her up on the list, giving her the best chance for a scholarship. On the plus side, he knows that she will be attending his school, so he is almost certain to have a cadet (barring any DoDMERB issues). PMS’ like that degree of certainty.</p>
<p>I am a bit surprised by his mentioning another option (SMP I believe) for the scholarship. I think he is trying to encourage this because he gets more cadets for the same number of scholarships (SMP comes out of a different bucket I believe). </p>
<p>My guess as to why he only said her chances were good were that perhaps at that time, he did not know yet (October board decisions were only due into CC by Saturday IIRC) whether the scholarships awarded in the first board (October) had been accepted or not. They may very well not have any more scholarships to award if they already had 4 top flight candidates they committed to on the first board. Odds are that all 4 did not accept, but it is a possibility.</p>
<p>As to the offer later in the year question, here is my understanding of the situation. In late spring candidates who have accepted scholarships are sent a letter to confirm their acceptance or request a transfer to another school. </p>
<p>If all 4 scholarships were accepted in the October round and there are none left for her, one of the 4 applicants may very well have to give up the scholarship either because they didn’t pass DoDMERB or they did not get accepted to the school. In this case, the slot opens up and since your daughter will be going to that school as a result of the ED agreement, they know she is available and they like her, and if she puts in an request to transfer her scholarship she’ll probably get it (she’ll need to accept to a schools that she won’t attend, UGLY, I know - but she should tell the PMS there that she will be giving up the slot and is using it for a placeholder for a transfer so they can let another lucky candidate know they will have a slot available). </p>
<p>It is a strange system they have, but if you are honest about it with everyone involved, they will understand that you need to hold a scholarship someplace to transfer it.</p>
<p>For now, let’s hope it doesn’t come to this.</p>
<p>Thanks for the comments so far. One point to clarify. School #1 has 4 scholarships now and possibly 6. I suspect Goaliedad was on the right track that the additional 2 may be offers from the October board have not yet accepted.</p>
<p>Here is an interesting question.</p>
<p>Most schools demand that the a student who is accepted for ED WITHDRAW their applications from RD schools if they have been already submitted and refrain from submitting any RD applications.</p>
<p>If this is the case, does it not automatically disqualify him/her for ROTC scholarship consideration for the 6 six schools on his/her original list, assuming that the ED schools is one of the 7 on the list?</p>
<p>The only condition for a release from the ED contract is the financial one: that is, if there is no funding to cover the COA of the ED school, be it personal/family fund, FA from the school, or outside scholarship, the candidate can pick another school. Hence this will work if the ROTC scholarship candidate demonstrate that without either school FA or ROTC scholarship, s/he cannot attend that school. However, the “demonstrated needs” is not determined by the willingness to pay on the part of the family or actual financial needs felt by the family, but rather the demonstrated needs as proven by the FAFSA or such other means. In other words, if your family cannot prove financial needs based on the standard set by the school, you can’t get out of the ED obligation.</p>
<p>Am I right if I say, for those families which cannot demonstrate the financial needs, the kids should ONLY apply to ED if they are willing to enroll at that school without ROTC scholarship and aim for 2 or 3 year scholarship later.</p>
<p>Good question with regards to the having to withdraw other applications “immediately”. One thing I never understood about ED and FA was that you cannot know that you have “adequate” FA offered until you file FAFSA (and CSS Profile where applicable). It is only then that the ED school can make the offer, which seems to me to be after the “immediately” for withdrawing from other schools. </p>
<p>It would seem to put the ED applicant totally at the mercy of the ED school to require them to withdraw without knowin the finances are there. (Not everyone can qualify for a parent loan these days, ya know).</p>
<p>I would definitely call the ED school to get a clarification as to your FA offer if you are applying. They may allow you to wait until the FA papaerwork is complete.</p>
<p>As to accepting a schoarship to a school you cannot attend, remember the ED contract is not binding to attend until they actually make you the FA offer (even if they determine it to be zero). Until that time, you can acquire backup plans including an ROTC scholarship at another school. People do this with the SA’s all the time. The military has no problem with your holding both a SA appointment and a ROTC scholarship at another school, so why not an ED contract and a ROTC scholarship at another school?</p>
<p>To answer your last question, I would agree that they should be willing to enroll if the school holds up its end of the ED contract (FA) and hope for further consideration afterwards.</p>
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<p>aglages, where are you getting these dates? I’ve seen them on the serviceacademyforums.com, but they are in conflict with the other posted dates. Thus far, the other dates seem to be correct. Could the dates you’ve posted be for Navy or AF, but not Army?</p>
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I got them from serviceacademyforums. While they may not be exact, they seem close (within a week). The differences may be when the board actually meets vs deadlines for documents. I was told two weeks ago by two different PMSs that the next Army board was meeting Dec 7th. What dates do you have?</p>
<p>Nov 23 - Deadline for Documents
Nov 30 - 2nd High School Selection Board </p>
<p>Dec 28 - Deadline for Documents
Jan 4 - 3rd High School Selection Board </p>
<p>Feb 22 - Deadline for Documents
Mar 1 - High School Selection Board </p>
<p>Mar 28 - Deadline for Documents
Apr 4 - 5th High School Selection Board </p>
<p>These are the dates my son got from the ROO at his #1 school. And we have received an email from a different ROO informing us that Son was reviewed on 11/30.</p>
<p>Can someone clarify what happens between the review board and the college that leads to a scholarship offer. I understand that the board creates an OML list. This makes some applicants eligible for a scholarship. Then, does each school look at the their applicants that are on the OML list and select the applicants they want to offer one of their allocated national scholarships? Or do they submit, in advance, the list of applicants they are willing to allocate a slot to? The PMS at my daughters #1 school said he was providing recommendations to the Board, which makes it sound like the battillion provides input as part of the Board process, and not afterwards.</p>
<p>It is our experience that schools can and do pull the files on applicants who have them on their list periodically from Cadet Command. The review these (on a variety of factors including likelyhood of admission and candidate acceptance of the scholarship) and build their own list of ranked applicants. </p>
<p>At some time during the board process, Cadet Command does ask them which candidates the unit will accept. I can’t say exactly when that is (before the cutoff point on the OML is established and scholarship lists are formed or after) although I would guess that it would be before as it allows a clearer picture to CC of who exactly they can award scholarships to and where. This would also keep the process from being iterative (CC sends a list to 5 units where the candidate is rejected at 3, so CC has to add 2 more schools to the list and then contact those units) - not very efficient.</p>
<p>DougBetsy: For those people that have their files complete I think the most important question is WHEN the Army will release the results. With this “new” national selection process, supposedly the October board’s release of scholarship awards were a complete fiasco, and “supposedly” (again) the Army canceled the first week of November board. Regardless of which week they meet, let’s hope we hear something before Christmas.</p>