Meningitis Vaccine for New College Freshman?

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<p>Are you certain there is no relationship? How do you know? It’s simply one of many factors that actually need to be examined as to what is going on with kids today. No double-blind peer-reviewed studies have ever been done on the safety of vaccines, the safety of multiple vaccines at once, the result in health of delaying vaccines, etc. I’m sure you know that Japan delayed vaccines until after 2 years of age and discovered that SIDS death rates dropped. Sweden banned the pertussis vaccine. Interestingly, and, I’d contend, not coincidentally, these two countries enjoy better child health than our country which attempts to vaccinate children with 40+ vaccines by the age of 18 (assuming flu shots, etc). </p>

<p>Yet I had 3 vaccines in childhood and 1 occurred at age 11. My Mom had 1, I think, and lived a long, healthy life right until the very end. Could we be overdoing this, with ill effects from all the toxic adjuvants contained within the vaccines? </p>

<p>It’s definitely something I wonder about, honestly. Something is going on, though I know that the contamination of the food supply, water and air certainly isn’t helping. I can’t just look the other way and not care about the really sad state of health of today’s children, compared to even my childhood. It’s just on my mind right now. Sorry to derail the thread into this issue, if I did…and thank you, Jaylynn, for your thoughts on the issue.</p>

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<p>This would make sense if only the unvaccinated got sick. But that’s not the case. Many reported outbreaks are among vaccinated individuals.</p>

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<p>Vaccination does not produce 100% protection. </p>

<p>But lack of vaccination produces 0% protection.</p>

<p>As for “no better health results,” take a look at the first two graphs (second page) in this document: <a href=“http://www.hrsa.gov/healthit/images/mchb_child_mortality_pub.pdf[/url]”>http://www.hrsa.gov/healthit/images/mchb_child_mortality_pub.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>They show the dramatic declines in deaths among children aged 1-4 years and 5-14 years between the 1930s and 2007. </p>

<p>I’m not saying that today’s children don’t have health issues. Many do. But the most basic indicator of child health – survival – has unquestionably improved.</p>

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<p>I am cautious about jumping on the bandwagon for new vaccines (we didn’t let our daughter start the Gardasil series until she was 16 and our son when he turned 15) because I like to see what happens after they’ve been on the market before giving them to our kids. But there is no way I’d delay giving a vaccine that protects against a disease as potentially deadly as meningitis. And even if it doesn’t kill you, it can cause brain damage. The horrific nature of the disease clearly outweighs the risk of side effects of the vaccine.</p>

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<p>Nonsense. Double-blind, placebo-controlled trials of vaccine safety get done all the time - dozens, perhaps hundreds of such trials get done. FDA will not license a vaccine without a rigorous set of safety and efficacy trials proving the vaccine to be safe and effective. Here is just a small sample of what’s out there if you care to actually look at actual clinical trials instead of the screeds of the anti-vaccine crusaders:</p>

<p>[MMS:</a> Error](<a href=“http://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJM199102143240701]MMS:”>http://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJM199102143240701)
[Study</a> Evaluating the Safety, Immunogenicity and Tolerability of Meningococcal Group B Vaccine in Healthy Adults - Full Text View - ClinicalTrials.gov](<a href=“http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00297687]Study”>ClinicalTrials.gov)
[Randomized</a>, Double Blinded, Placebo Control Clinical Trial of Pandemic Influenza Inactive Vaccine on Healthy Subjects - Full Text View - ClinicalTrials.gov](<a href=“http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00356798]Randomized”>ClinicalTrials.gov)
[A</a> Prospective, Randomized, Double-Blind, Placebo-Controlled Trial to Assess the Safety and Tolerability of Influenza Virus Vaccine,(CAIV-T) in Healthy Infants - Full Text View - ClinicalTrials.gov](<a href=“http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00192348]A”>ClinicalTrials.gov)
[A</a> Randomized, Placebo-Controlled, Double Blind, Phase 1 Trial of the Safety, Immunogenicity, and Tolerability of Ascending Doses of Meningococcal Group B rLP2086 Vaccine in Healthy Adults - ICH GCP - Clinical Trials Registry](<a href=“http://ichgcp.net/clinical-trials-registry/research/index/NCT00297687]A”>MnB rLP2086 in Meningitis, Meningococcal - Clinical Trials Registry - ICH GCP)
[A</a> Double-Blind Placebo-Controlled Trial of the Safety and Immunogenicity of a Seven Valent Pneumococcal Conjugate Vaccine in Presumed HIV-Infected Infants - Full Text View - ClinicalTrials.gov](<a href=“ClinicalTrials.gov”>ClinicalTrials.gov)
[A</a> double-blind, placebo-controlled study of the safe… [Vaccine. 2008] - PubMed - NCBI](<a href=“A double-blind, placebo-controlled study of the safety and immunogenicity of live, oral type 4 and type 7 adenovirus vaccines in adults - PubMed”>A double-blind, placebo-controlled study of the safety and immunogenicity of live, oral type 4 and type 7 adenovirus vaccines in adults - PubMed)
[Randomized</a>, double-blind, placebo-controlled ph… [J Infect Dis. 2008] - PubMed - NCBI](<a href=“Randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled phase 3 trial of the safety and tolerability of IC51, an inactivated Japanese encephalitis vaccine - PubMed”>Randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled phase 3 trial of the safety and tolerability of IC51, an inactivated Japanese encephalitis vaccine - PubMed)
[Safety</a> and immunogenicity of 2009 pandemic influenza A H1N1 vaccines in China: a multicentre, double-blind, randomised, placebo-controlled trial : The Lancet](<a href=“http://www.lancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(09)62003-1/abstract]Safety”>http://www.lancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(09)62003-1/abstract)
[Randomized</a>, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial to evaluate the safety and immunogenicity of live oral cholera vaccine 638 in Cuban adults](<a href=“http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X09012225]Randomized”>http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X09012225)
[Efficacy</a>, safety, and immunology of an inactivated alum-adjuvant enterovirus 71 vaccine in children in China: a multicentre, randomised, double-blind, placebo-controlled, phase 3 trial : The Lancet](<a href=“http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(13)61049-1/abstract]Efficacy”>http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(13)61049-1/abstract)</p>

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<p>?? Prospective randomized double-blinded studies are done all the time with vaccines! And the Swedish experience was not a ban of the pertussis vaccine. They stopped used of the whole cell vax and then picked up the acellular later. Most studies actually find the opposite of what you’re trying to say wrt Sweden. I am not going to engage in a science vs bad science p****ing match, though. It is wearisome. Bottom line-- get the meningococcal vaccine for your kids. If you don’t, know the risks. To your child and to others.</p>