<p>If you do not fill out the financial aid forms, are you NOT considered for ANY kind of scholarship? The accounts here seem to vary. . .</p>
<p>letsfigureitout, it depends on the school. We did not fill out FAFSA forms but our daughter was offered merit scholarships at all 3 schools to which she was accepted. Most school websites indicate if you need to file any forms for merit scholarships. Your best bet is to call the schools in which you are interested and ask if it is not clear from their websites.</p>
<p>Hi SoozieVt,
Am In understanding that your daughter got accepted into all of the programs you list above? That is so wonderful! Isn't that rare? Since you are also a CC Counselor, I'll ask you, do any talented kids NOT get in anywhere? She is applying at 7 great MT programs, plus our local great liberal arts college. Assuming she genuinely has talent, are odds good that at least one of the schools will accept her? Her grades are good and solid.</p>
<p>Sualabama,</p>
<p>You asked:</p>
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Am In understanding that your daughter got accepted into all of the programs you list above? That is so wonderful! Isn't that rare?
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<p>With regard to my own daughter, I think you are referring to my post #15 on this thread, right? I was listing where she received scholarships. That is not entirely the same as which BFA programs she got into. </p>
<p>To clarify your interpretting that she got into those BFA programs, here it is more accurately as far as acceptances (before I was only responding to scholarships)....</p>
<p>Accepted with Scholarships:
NYU/Tisch
BOCO
Syracuse
Ithaca
Penn State</p>
<p>Priority Waitlisted (but was given the scholarship package with that status because if any room opened up, my D had one day to reply and so the financial part of it came with the Priority Waitlist decision):
CMU</p>
<p>Accepted to the College with Scholarship, but deferred/denied BFA:
Emerson</p>
<p>Denied:
UMichigan</p>
<p>She was an early graduate and so her profile was atypical in that way. She went to college at sixteen after her junior year of HS. </p>
<p>You asked if my D's outcome was rare. I don't believe that hers was so unusual no. I think outcomes vary a LOT. Each applicant eners this process with different qualifications and talent and so that already is not apples to apples in comparing outcomes. Some applicants have a college list that is not appropriately balanced or appropriate vis a vis their academic and/or artistic talent. Some have an unlucky outcome with many BFAs due to the very low admit rates which makes it unpredictable even IF very qualified. Usually, if one has the RIGHT and appropriate list, that is balanced FOR THEM, it should yield at least one or more acceptances. If someone is shut out from every school on their list, it likely was the wrong list. If someone is rejected at some BFAs and admitted to some others, a lot of that is luck of the draw given the unpredictable nature and low rate of admissions at most BFA in MT Programs (approx. 2-10% admit rates) and so a very talented applicant could get into college X but not Y and another equally talented student gets into Y but not X.....happens a LOT in this highly selective process. Also, each program is looking for kids to fit that program and the needs of the class they are building and they could have too many of your type or you just are not their type at all, etc. But if you have what it takes to get into a BFA in general, and you have a balanced list, it should yield a positive result. </p>
<p>As far as what is rare or typical for an outcome....you can look at former CC members who have listed their acceptances in our acceptance threads each year. There, you will see some who have gotten into 4-6 programs and some got into 1-3 programs. (some got into none but they didn't necessarily post that outcome on that thread) There is a mix. But each member who is represented has different skill sets and different academic qualifications and are different types, even gender (easier odds for boys), and had different college lists. So, it is hard to compare results! My D has some very talented friends in this field and many of them gotten into several schools. But there are kids who get into NONE or ONE. Most of the truly qualified kids I know, get into more than one. </p>
<p>You also asked:
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She is applying at 7 great MT programs, plus our local great liberal arts college. Assuming she genuinely has talent, are odds good that at least one of the schools will accept her? Her grades are good and solid.
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<p>There is no way I could ever answer that question on a message board, let alone with such a general background given AND not even hearing the actual list. I assess students' odds and help them create appropriate college lists in a very very individualized manner and spend countless hours reviewing every little detail in helping to advise students on their list. I have no idea your D's talent, her background, her academic profile, her list, and so on and so forth. I can simply say that it is very very important that the list be appropriate for your child. I see lots of people simply looking for schools that offer MT without any regard to the fit of those schools or their qualifications, both academically and artistically. I see some very inappropriate lists. I see some lists that are not balanced, as well. With much advising, we do lots of revisions and suggestions to create a list that fits each student. If a student has the appropriate list, they shouldn't be shut of going to college. That's my general answer to a general question. </p>
<p>You also may wish to get advice from directors, voice teachers and acting teachers who know your D's skill sets and if they feel she is competitive for BFA admissions. You may want to look at benchmarks of how she fares locally in casting and other achievements she may have garnered in your region in this field. If your D has been involved in any summer programs or competitions of some sort outside your community, and been amongst a more concentrated talent pool of kids who are seeking MT college programs, she can self assess against those students. If she knows students who HAVE gotten into BFA programs, she can self assess against their level of talent and achievements. Those are not foolproof ways but just more helpful indicators. You can balance the list by having some audition based BA programs which generally speaking are not as low odds of admissions as BFA programs. She could have some non audition BAs, particularly one that is also an academic safety, to increase the odds of some acceptances. She can balance her BFA list with some highly competitive BFA programs with some others that while they have a low admit rate, may not draw from the same top talent pool as some of the BFA elite type schools. </p>
<p>I hope that helps.</p>
<p>OK - SoozieVT - don't be so humble! Trust me, everyone on this board, SoozieVT's daughter is FAR from typical. She is AMAZING and I would say that VERY few students get accepted to as many programs as she did, let alone with scholarships! (I've had the pleasure of seeing her perform, and as I've told SoozieVT many times, when she's on Broadway, I'm getting a backstage pass....) :)</p>
<p>RossJi....you are overly kind. There are LOTS of talented kids in all these programs and I have seen it with my own eyes and ears! I venture to say your D would have been accepted to quite a handful of schools but she only applied ED and so that's all you guys went through. While I haven't had the pleasure of seeing your D yet in a show, but I hope I do....I have heard her sing on a recording and she has a phenomenal soprano and my D says it is one of the best in their year, which is saying a lot since there are a lot of talented kids. I thank you for the positive support. My D is having a blast at school and couldn't be happier with the choice she made for a program. It has been a good fit which is what it is all about. I hope your D is getting off to a fine start this year again. </p>
<p>Let me say one thing....since you opined that my D is a good performer....let's say she is....to make a point....she still got rejected at Emerson's BFA and UMichigan's. So, even if you may be in the ballpark for these BFA programs, you win some, you lose some.....it is no guarantee. Same with casting...you can have the talent but not fit the part with the vision the casting people have for it. It is a tough field and the BFA admissions process is just one example of how it can go. Auditions once in college and after, are more of this!!! </p>
<p>Anyway, thanks again and I hope to see your D in a show of some sort this year or next, if I can.</p>
<p>Thank you so much - that is more than helpful! The feedback my D gets from her directors, instructors, master class teachers, etc. is very positive - I suppose we're on the right track. I'll hav more questions later, I'm sure! Which school did oyur daughter choose, by the way?
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<p>Sualabama...My daughter chose NYU/Tisch/CAP21 which had been a first choice of hers and a school she had wanted to attend since she was much younger and way before we ever looked into colleges. However, she looked at a range of schools and liked them all for various reasons and kept an open mind. As it turns out, it feels like she found the perfect fit for her which is all it is about. She is thrilled with her program. Like most kids, she likely would be happy at many schools but now that she is at this one, she couldn't be happier with the choice. </p>
<p>Getting feedback by those in the field who know your D's talents is a very good thing to do. Wishing your D lots of luck with this process. If she is qualified, my feeling is that at least one school will come through for her.</p>
<p>And RossJi...if you are still reading....I hear our D's are working on a scene/play together for Acting! My D says she is very happy with the assigned group of four and to work with your D. Thought I would pass it on. She happened to mention it to me by chance today and your D's name came up.</p>
<p>What about Millikin? They came to our city last year to see some of our city's high school seniors perform. They relayed strong interest in my D (who was not a senior) and we have since visited and seen a show there. It was fine, but did not knock our socks off. Do you have any detailed knowledge about this program?</p>
<p>Wow! No, my d never mentioned it. She has been miserably sick pretty much since the first day of classes (sore throat, congestion, acid reflux, hangnail, etc.) -Ok, no hangnail, but everything else, lol! So all she calls about is to ask me what drugs to take! But I'm so glad they'll be working together. I'll ask her next time what scene they're doing; do they perform a song, too? She picked Rod Stewart's name out of a hat for pop/rock. Can you picture that? A 4'11" collatura (sp?) soprano singing "Do Ya Think I'm Sexy...."
HA HA HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!</p>
<p>I do not think there are any songs in the play, no. It is for Acting class. Apparently they are in the same section for all their studio classes (maybe not dance though). They have a different class that is Musical Scene Study but this was for Acting with Larry. I didn't know that they picked out of a hat for the pop/rock composers (Vocal Rep class)! All I know is that the past two weeks on short notice, my D has needed first a song from the Carpenters and now for tomorrow, a particular song by Jefferson Airplane and she is booked solid all day, all night, through to 11:30 PM with various rehearsals and conflicts to boot. So, in a rather crazed weird way, we have gotten the music from a source she has in NYC who has faxed it to us in VT and then my husband has scanned it and emailed it to her in NYC. Ha! However, my D loves that they are in their pop/rock semester (for Vocal classes). But remember now, this will be good for your D just like my D had legit soprano to focus on freshman year...so same idea for your D this year in reverse, LOL. Sorry your D has been sick. With the schedule mine is keeping, I'm wondering how she is not sick!</p>
<p>Millikin -- I worked with some very strong Millikin alums, but they graduated back in the 1990s... I do not know much about the current progam. I have looked at their website. The curriculum looks very good.... I like the way they match up what is being studied in MT History with performance repertory in a given part of the semester. I have been to the campus, and really liked it a lot. Pretty area, nice facilities. </p>
<p>I have not seens Millikin as a school that is discussed much here, but that does not mean anything... the best school is the one that is the best for you. If you are not too far away from Millikin, visit... your D could ask to sit in on a class or rehearsal, try to go to lunch with students, meet with the head of the program. If possible see a show. I think that kids get a feeling in thier gut whether a school could be the right fit.</p>
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<p>Sualabama...I certainly have heard of Millikin but do not have a lot of first hand knowledge other than what I have researched. I have recommended it to certain students as a less competitive BFA in terms of the talent pool who might apply and is also easier academically to get in which is an issue for certain students. You may wish to contact LynnM, a member on CC, whose D first started at Millikin and left during her freshman year, took some time off from school and reauditioned and is now at Boston Conservatory. She would have some first hand knowledge, at least through her daughter. Remember, a list of schools needs balance and so Millikin may or may not fit a slot on your D's list. These programs all differ.</p>
<p>Sometime back, there was quite a bit of discussion about Millikin on CC. You might try the search function.</p>
<p>I go there! I'm a junior theatre major! please feel free to ask any questions you might have! You can PM or post!</p>