<p>^^^^^Agreed!</p>
<p>If everyone applies to Michigan, then I need to inform our admissions office that it has regularly been losing tens of thousands of applications every year.</p>
<p>Boy, the helpful stuff you learn here. For example, there’s a good chance your doctor, lawyer, CEO, and other highly-paid, accomplished professionals in your life are “pretty stupid” or even worse. And everyone applies to Michigan! And it’s easy to get in!</p>
<p>“Boy, the helpful stuff you learn here. For example, there’s a good chance your doctor, lawyer, CEO, and other highly-paid, accomplished professionals in your life are “pretty stupid” or even worse. And everyone applies to Michigan! And it’s easy to get in!”</p>
<p>Assuming that’s sarcasm. I’ve been resisting myself from replying and letting this thread die so that it doesn’t turn into a war, but your ass is pushing it. Here, you dumb ****, let me explain to you one more time, when I used the word “stupid” I meant that the people who UMich admitted have low stats. If your doctor have lower than 2100 and 3.5 GPA, they’re stupid. That DOES NOT mean they’re failures in life/can’t do well in college/can’t do well in career, etc. Just mean they have low stats. This is what I meant when I first used “stupid”. Like pancakes said in a pm, I’d go as far as considering the bottom 85-90% of UM as stupid. And don’t kid yourselves. There aren’t that many kids at UM with 2350 SAT, valedictorian of top 50 HS, olympiad gold medalist and Intel Finalist plus numerous state business and debate competition awards. There may be quite a few with parts of my profile (i.e. 2350, valedictorian but no national awards or national awards but no high SAT+valedictorian) but there aren’t many with all these awards in their profile. Maybe the top 5% have my GPA/SAT but not all of them have the stats and the achievements simultaneously. Some of you now will attack me and say I will fail at UMich (pwahaha, LOL). Don’t kid yourselves. If a former grad of my HS who ranked in the middle of his class with only 2200 SAT is ranked top5% of his LSA class, I’d probably be top 2-3%. Now you will argue college is different from HS, etc. Time management? I don’t think I can get my achievements if I can’t manage time well. Maybe I’ll have a hard time if I underestimate the difficulty/competition and not study. But this is not the case. I assure you, unlike your cousing Alexandre, I’m gonna give it everything I’ve got right from the start, and treat my peers at classes with curves like students of my HS and destroy them. </p>
<p>Now move on to a new definition of “stupid” - inferior performance in college. Do I believe students with low stats are stupid in this second definition, in my opinion, yes. True, there are some anecdotes where a student admitted with a 2.0 HS GPA gets a 4.0 college GPA, but that’s rare. Most don’t. Who do I consider smart on this forum? Example. bearcats, Hotchkiss graduate, quant fund intern?, EGL, etc. Alexandre, ex-GS, ex-McK, current Mercer, and of course, I. I have respect for bearcats and Alexandre, especially Alexandre for his resourcefulness. But as to others, like aajjc, who with only modest stats, come out here and ask me if I think he’s stupid, even tho I’ve already made it clear that I think 75% of UM students have low stats, are simply stupid. </p>
<p>Third, is Michigan easy to get in? If kids in my HS with 1730 SAT can get in (no hook) by applying in September, I don’t see how UM is selective. Heck, any kid across the country can probably get into UM if they have
- 1700+ SAT (easy to get as heck, anyone who can’t get 1700 is basically a moron by my standards)
- 3.5+ GPA for 2 yrs (anyone who can’t keep a 3.5 GPA, not even in all classes, just in core classes for 2 yrs are beyond stupid, unless they go to a top HS).
- Write an “average” quality essay (anyone with decent intelligence can do).
- Apply in September.</p>
<p>In 2008, 25% (~ 3000 of the accepted students) of the admitted class has SATs lower than a 1920/ACT lower than 26 for christ sake. Some argued earlier that there are atheletes. There aren’t 3000 recruited atheletes at UMich.</p>
<p>^ u just called about 70% of the sat test takers complete morons…</p>
<p>Lulz, weren’t you the one who was worrying about the curve in Ross v. the curve in LSA econ too?</p>
<p>Again, if you really think 85% of the students at UMich are “stupid,” why are you attending? The recruiting, the atmosphere, etc probably isn’t that unique to UMich. You should go elsewhere if this is what you think.</p>
<p>michigan is not that selective. enjoy your As at michigan’s public schools, pull a few 650s on the sats, and you’re in. if you messed up either of those, then try to compensate in the rest of your application. the school is so big to begin with, and has to accept many extra students to compensate for those it loses to better schools, that its acceptance rate is out the roof.</p>
<p>i know A LOT of people that applied and were accepted, including myself, so… yeah.</p>
<p>I’m not sure which posts you are referring to, but when you start ranting about time management, are you referring to the question that I asked Alexandre? If so, I don’t understand why that is a part of your argument, since I was simply asking a question.</p>
<p>If stats prove how smart someone is, then congratulations on being one of the smartest students to ever walk this earth.</p>
<p>Why are you even going to college with that kind of mentality. Especially to a school like Michigan, where students care about other things in addition to academics. Students at Michigan have pride in their school and show the utmost respect to their peers and professors. </p>
<p>No one is saying that you are going to end up like Alexandre’s cousin. No one stated that most students with low stats are athletes.</p>
<p>Who cares who you consider smart on this forum. You are entitled to your own opinion as is everyone else that posted on this forum.</p>
<p>Honestly with the credentials that you have, why do you boast about your superiority over 85% of the Michigan student body? Why can’t you be humble?</p>
<p>Honestly with such elitist thinking, I still don’t understand why you are attending the University of Michigan. Yes, Michigan is a great university and yes, Michigan has good recruiting options, but with your mentality, HYPSM, should be the universities you should have gone to. You will probably find students with your mentality at these elite, and extremely selective institutions. There is probably more competition for you at these elite colleges.</p>
<p>I honestly am stupid by your definition, but will that change how I view myself and my peers at Michigan? NO</p>
<p>Does your definition mean anything? HELL NO </p>
<p>Do your opinions matter? NOT IN A MILLION YEARS</p>
<p>Are you a self conscious, gloating moron? YES</p>
<p>"Third, is Michigan easy to get in? If kids in my HS with 1730 SAT can get in (no hook) by applying in September, I don’t see how UM is selective. Heck, any kid across the country can probably get into UM if they have
- 1700+ SAT (easy to get as heck, anyone who can’t get 1700 is basically a moron by my standards)
- 3.5+ GPA for 2 yrs (anyone who can’t keep a 3.5 GPA, not even in all classes, just in core classes for 2 yrs are beyond stupid, unless they go to a top HS).
- Write an “average” quality essay (anyone with decent intelligence can do).
- Apply in September."</p>
<p>This is so far off base it’s completely laughable. You might be intelligent Number1, but you’re immature. Instead of sincerely apologizing for using a poor choice of words, now you make a blanket statement that is so far from the truth that any credibility that you might have had is lost. Congratulations, you must be so proud.</p>
<p>So tell me chriscrap. What better school are you attending?</p>
<p>I wasn’t looking for validation/support when I asked if I was stupid with the stats that I listed. I meant to ask if you are were willing to call anyone who has scores below your high standard a moron. I should have been clearer in my question. If the answer was yes, as you clearly just stated, then you have just outed yourself as a narrow-minded individual who thinks he can ride on his high school profile all the way through life. Congratulations.</p>
<p>harvard</p>
<p>morecharacters</p>
<p>^Congrats. It’s definitely one of the best. I hope you learn some humility there too.</p>
<p>chriscap: why did you transfer from hopkins? i’m probably in the minority here, but i actually kind of like baltimore as a city…</p>
<p>number 1: lol. dude, nothing you have accomplished so far in life is that impressive, nobody cares about “stats” after high school anyway, and you sound like a huge tool. just stop. there are a ton of people at michigan who have accomplished just as much and/or have the potential to achieve just as much as you. if you want to define “stupid” in some arbitrary and absurd fashion because you need to do that to feel good about yourself, go for it. stop your ridiculous rants though.</p>
<p>i was just being a smartass, i still go to hopkins and love it</p>
<p>Congratulations on your 2350 SAT, Number 1! It’s not like you can prepare for the SAT and “sheer will” a good score! You must be really smart!!! Your definition of intelligence is spot on!</p>
<p>“In 2008, 25% (~ 3000 of the accepted students) of the admitted class has SATs lower than a 1920/ACT lower than 26 for christ sake. Some argued earlier that there are atheletes. There aren’t 3000 recruited atheletes at UMich.”</p>
<p>Actually Number 1, for the ACT, it would be lower than 28, not 26. At Brown and Cornell, 25% of admitted students had ACT scores lower than 28 in 2008.</p>
<p>"Heck, any kid across the country can probably get into UM if they have</p>
<ol>
<li>1700+ SAT (easy to get as heck, anyone who can’t get 1700 is basically a moron by my standards)"</li>
</ol>
<p>The percentage of admitted students at Michigan that have sub 1800 SAT scores runs in the single digits, most of which are:</p>
<p>1) Admitted into the colleges of Kinesiology , Nursing, Art or Music. Those schools have different ways of evaluating applicants.</p>
<p>2) URMs from underpriviledged backgrounds. Those kids are often very smart and strong (and comefrom loving and nurturing families), but they never had the opportunities that most of us had. I have noticed that those kids tend to shine in college and I hope Michigan never turns its back on them.</p>
<p>“2. 3.5+ GPA for 2 yrs (anyone who can’t keep a 3.5 GPA, not even in all classes, just in core classes for 2 yrs are beyond stupid, unless they go to a top HS).”</p>
<p>90% of admitted students at Michigan have GPAs well over 3.5. Over 75% have GPAs well over 3.7 GPAs. And those GPAs are only for core classes and unweighed.</p>
<p>“3. Write an “average” quality essay (anyone with decent intelligence can do).”</p>
<p>Admittedly, Michigan does not care much about essays.</p>
<p>“4. Apply in September.”</p>
<p>Most students who apply in the early period are deferred, not accepted. </p>
<p>I am not sure how you came to your conclusions Number 1. Statistically speaking, students with sub 3.7 unweighed GPAs and/or sub 2000/29 SAT/SCT scores aremore likely to be rejected, regardless of when they apply, especially if they are applying to the colleges of LSA or Engineering. There are, I am sure, many students with 3.5 or lower GPAs and 1900/28 SAT/ACT or lower who are admitted into Michigan, but that’s out of a large applicant pool of students, most of which will be rejected. I have seen such students get admitted into Harvard or Stanford without any hooks too by the way. I am sure it happens more at Michigan, but then again, Michigan’s undergraduate student population is 4 times larger than Harvard or Stanford. However, that’s not the norm.</p>
<p>“Admittedly, Michigan does not care much about essays.” </p>
<p>Wow thank you, that makes me feel so much better…my essays are crap!</p>
<p>"Most students who apply in the early period are deferred, not accepted. "</p>
<p>Alexandre, do you know the percentage of students who apply early are accepted, differed and rejected? And the % that are differed and then later accepted? I was just curious.</p>
<p>Sorry for being off topic. In my defense, I though this was a pointless thread to begin with (some guy with nothing better to do than dis his own school). Thanks for the help!</p>
<p>Number 1:</p>
<p>First off, Im sure you will do fine at Michigan. I disagree with people saying youre in for a surprise, because frankly, its not hard to do well as long as you put in the effort (which it seems you will).</p>
<p>However, your high-mindedness about having good test scores and gpa is completely unnecessary and misguided. How do you think someone comes to achieve scores such as yours? There are two main possibilities:</p>
<p>1) They are born with a greater mental capability and natural intelligence
2) They value education more than others and therefore try harder</p>
<p>Now, is there any reason to be arrogant about having either of these qualities? The first you have no control over, and are presumably born with. Thats nothing but random chance. The second has more to do with your own thoughts and actions, but is also nothing to be inherently proud of. Thats because your decision to value education over other things in life is rather arbitrary and is no more noble than anything else. If studying math and science makes you happy, great. Other people may place more weight on forming relationships or doing other things. </p>
<p>The smartest person is the one who realizes what he/she enjoys doing and pursues it, regardless of what society holds in high esteem. Calling somebody stupid (no matter how you define it) because they dont value what you do is extremely simple-minded.</p>
<p>^ I agree with this guy 100%. He wrote what I wanted to write, but I just couldn’t think of how to write it.</p>
<p>I like how Michigan has such a strong reach out program to support under privileged minorities. Just like many minorities, when you give them the opportunity, they tend to shine.</p>
<p>UM reaches out to inner city, low income high schoolers and accept them so they can have opportunities to attend a good school.</p>
<p>PS. Number 1, can you just shut the heck up? Your arrogance makes people sick.</p>