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Well, it is one of a few universities that stand out in exuding a lot of pride…nothing wrong with that.</p>
<p>Ay Dios mio…its these same people all over again arguing every time. rjkofnovi, Alexandre, and UCBChem. I see you three everywhere in these kinds of threads. Do you all have nothing better to do?
Why does it matter if UMich is or isn’t viewed the way you view it? Obviously its a great university, but Cornell is ivy league! It’s more selective! Everyone knows about it. I go to neither UMich or Cornell and I objectively make my point. But this is all for argument sake. You guys seem to take this personally. And why does it matter if Cornell is more well known that UMich? UMich is still a great university. You get an education. So what more do you want? A Harvard level notoriety? Then go to Harvard! If you’re not smart enough, then its not my problem.
In this conversation: UMich is not as well known or radared at Cornell. </p>
<p>Yet you three keep deluding yourselves! From your post history, you’ve all been putting down other universities and promoting your own. Great job you guys…</p>
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<p>How did this turn into a Cornell vs. Michigan debate?</p>
<p>^ Post #32… ;)</p>
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<p>And you like the Mich and Berkeley fans think its most flawed and criticized aspect- the PA score- is appropriate? rjkonivi has been posting PA scores, and I used the US NEWS score to mock him. Well you like the PA score but you dont like the USNEWS ranking and think it is flawed? The PA score if the most flawed and dubious aspect of the USNEWS. Consequently even graduate standing is doubtful which is often cited as a measure of academics by you often.</p>
<p>As I said you can’t eat you cake and have it. You cannot affirm the importance of subjective data (PA scores) while downplaying the use of other objective (though subjectively chosen) data in the USNEWS. It reeks of illogicality and biasedness.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, I expect you to post gradute rankings (exclusively based on a PA score)in a couple of futures posts to butress your points of the strong academics of a school.</p>
<p>So you dont think that the fact that Mich and Berkeley are large have a positive effect on their reputation. Its popular knowledge in academia that larger departments tend to have better reputations because of their diversity of research as well as research output. That is why highly research intensive universities like Brown and Rice lost to large publics though research quality and citation between them are the same. </p>
<p>Does this make sense? LOL</p>
<p>" rjkonivi has been posting PA scores, and I used the US NEWS score to mock him."</p>
<p>You think you are mocking me? Is that what you call it?</p>
<p>"Does this make sense? LOL </p>
<p>Frankly, no.</p>
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<p>I dont think you have been everywhere in the US or in the world have you? I can guarantee the fact that Cornell is Ivy league changes a lot of things.</p>
<p>Also like you I also have personal reasons why Michigan and Cornell are not in the same league. Everyone has their own personal reasons. I dont see why yours is better than mine. </p>
<p>Also I think you live abroad? Right? Because having gone to college in the Northeast, I have never heard of people reacting in the same vein to Cornell as Mich. Most people easily dismiss all publics because they are not that competitive to get into. Not my opinion but what I have observed and I am good at studying stuff too. Anecdotal yes, but its just a personal observation.</p>
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<p>I am bored with you. You are just going to go personal since you have no constructive arguments and I dont feel like going personal tonight. </p>
<p>You tend to take these Michigan debates personally, like its an insult to your person. Just understand, that people have a view contrary to yours based on their own experiences. </p>
<p>Common sense dictates that no amount of evidence I will use, can change what you think.</p>
<p>" Because having gone to college in the Northeast, I have never heard of people reacting in the same vein to Cornell as Mich. Most people easily dismiss all publics because they are not that competitive to get into."</p>
<p>Most people easily dismiss all publics when the local one’s s*ck. That’s the case for the northeast…</p>
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<p>For one the gap between Cornell and Wustl is not that much. 13-15 is not the same things as 15-29. Same goes for your other comparisons. I am sure you know the difference between a 14 position gap and 3-4 gap. These are all in the same tier. Some statistical variations could let one school go over another but not as large as the gap between cornell and Michigan.</p>
<p>Stuck at 29 . . how does it look from down there? Most importantly why care? </p>
<p>Secondly, I dont care about USNEWS. However, I do think cherry picking data does not make sense. Like PA scores- good, USNEWS-bad.</p>
<p>Obviously the reason why this is done is pretty obvious. To those who want to see of course</p>
<p>“I am bored with you. You are just going to go personal since you have no constructive arguments and I dont feel like going personal tonight.”</p>
<p>If you hadn’t noticed, I was bored with you three pages ago. I am going to go personal? You indicate you’ve been mocking me, fairly inefectively as far as I’m concerned, and have the audacity to do a turnspeak on me? This whole thread started as being a discussion between Illinois and Michigan for engineering. Someone, from Duke I might add, mentioned a couple of ivy league schools that are decent for engineering and then insinuated that they were superior for engineering education simply because they were in the ivy league. All I stated was that those two schools were PEERS of Michigan and Illinois and not superior to them in this area of academia. It took off from there…</p>
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<p>Here we go . . Colleges in the Northeast have people from Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, all the way to Mississippi and Georgia. A large majority of people in schools in the NE are from California. This has been the case since kingdom come. Most of these people are capable of commenting on the public system in their state thank you. I was not talking about a native northeasterner.</p>
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<p>Nice, so stop commenting on my posts the moment they come up. 
Or waiting every second for them to come up to comment on them :(</p>
<p>"Most people easily dismiss all publics when the local one’s s*ck. That’s the case for the northeast… " </p>
<p>“Here we go . . Colleges in the Northeast have people from Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, all the way to Mississippi and Georgia. A large majority of people in schools in the NE are from California. This has been the case since kingdom come. Most of these people are capable of commenting on the public system in their state thank you. I was not talking about a native northeasterner.”</p>
<p>I bet you have no idea that you’ve completely misread and/or misinterpreted my statement.</p>
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<p>This is not proof. You have shown me that a very small set of people (About 30 since the sample size was 1000) believe that UMich is the best university in the US. I was looking for data comparing the relative layman rep of Cornell to Mich. </p>
<p>I have not been provided this. People are just giving me anecdotes and data that have nothing to do with my question.</p>
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<p>No, I haven’t. If I am correct judging from your word “sick”- you mean because the Northeast dont have the same quality of publics as some places in the Midwest they dont know how good those in the Midwest are assuming it would be similar to that in the NE. I am right? </p>
<p>Or do you mean something else?</p>
<p>Actually the word I was referring to had a “u” as the vowel in between the consonants. To conclude my end of this conversation I will quote a remark made by noimagination in a previous post:</p>
<p>"I apologize, but I just don’t understand your posts and this line of argument is getting nowhere. Have a lovely evening "</p>
<p>sefago, no one is going to “prove” anything since this is all subjective opinion.</p>
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You asked about lay prestige…i gave you results of a poll from random people conducted by Gallup. This is probably as close as you’re going to get to an answer to your silly question… 3 times as many people mentioned Michigan versus Cornell. </p>
<p>The results are likely far more valid than the perceptions in your head.</p>
<p>rjkofnovi, from what I’ve seen so far, you seem to possess zero understanding of making educated arguments. Please leave. You are no match for sefago–let Alexandre or UCBChem argue for you. You are making a fool out of yourself and the school you represent.</p>
<p>At least UCBChem has a sense of humor.</p>