<p>Could anyone rank these on hardest to easiest to get into for an OOS?</p>
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<p>Thanks!</p>
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<li>unc chapel hill</li>
<li>texas austin</li>
<li>michigan</li>
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<p>1.unc
2.ut
3.michigan</p>
<p>i hate cold weather....</p>
<p>in terms of OOS admissions, UT is probably #1 in difficulty. Not only is it tied by the top 10% law that guarantees admission to the top in-state students, it also is required by state law to insure at least 90% of the undergraduate student body is from Texas. Coupled together, these 2 laws make it almost impossible for OOS students.</p>
<p>unc chapel hill is the same way, except for their admissions standards are higher than ut, so unc is harder.</p>
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<p>I really don't think UNC's <em>OOS</em> admission standards are any higher than UT's <em>OOS</em> ones, honestly. Since UT is 90+% (more like 93-96%) in-state, the in-state admission #s are what makes UNC higher overall. In fact, the very fact UT can accept so few OOS is the reason it has to be much more selective with them.</p>
<p>BTW - Is UNC tied to a 90+% in-state law like UT?</p>
<p>UNC has a law that 82% (I believe) must be in-state students.</p>
<p>ut is not that selective...</p>
<p>Please elaborate why "UT is not that selective" for OOS. Do you know some people from your school (in California?) who got into UT in the last couple years? What kind of stats do they have?</p>
<p>dnduswo, you are pretty ignorant to say that ut is not that selective. do you know how hard it is to get in out of state. even for in state, if your 1 person out of the 10%, its so difficult to get in. I have friends who were capped even though they are barely out of the top 10%. even if you are top 10%, you arnt guaranteed into your choice of major.</p>
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<p>i know that its selective school...for me too...
but i dont think that ut is same level as unc or umich...</p>
<p>also ive know so many international students who got into ut with poor stats...(>3.6 and >1900)</p>
<p>UT and UNC have very strict admissions policies for out of state applicants. UT is required (by statutory decree) to admit any Texas resident who graduates in the top 10% of her/his class. At UNC, Over 80% of the students must be NC residents, and UNC is a relatively small state school (16,000 undergrads if memory serves). Michigan does not have any such restrictions placed on it. The university generally likes to have a 65%/35% in-state to out of state ratio, which means that Michigan can enroll close to 10,000 out of state students at any point in time. As such, it is obviously easier for out of state students to get into Michigan than it is to get into UNC or Texas. This said, it should be stressed that Texas' selectivity depends on the program. For example, out of state students applying to the college of Arts and Sciences will have an easier time than out of state students applying to McCombs or the Texas college of Engineering.</p>
<p>Here are the overall numbers for acceptance into these colleges:</p>
<p>34% U North Carolina
47% U Michigan
49% U Texas</p>
<p>Here are the estimated percentages of OOS students:</p>
<p>18% U North Carolina
33% U Michigan
6% U Texas</p>
<p>One could speculate about the impact that Texas state laws have on the applicant group to UT. IMO, U Texas has some self-selection at work in their admissions and thus their acceptance rate might be a little inflated. In Texas, the acceptance policies are pretty broadly disclosed and thus a lot of weaker students don't even bother to apply. This applies as well to OOS applicants to U Texas as, given the very small number of non-Texans that are allowed in, this likely discourages non-Texans from either bothering. The other two colleges are also affected by these trends although I would say to a much less degree. Based on all of the above and estimating the breakdown of OOS applications and yield, I would estimate that U Michigan has an OOS acceptance rate around 40% while the other two are likely in the 25-30% range. </p>
<p>As for these three schools, it is an interesting group of schools that is not as similar as one might think. I characterize them as large, very large and huge. On the common litany of comparative statistics, here is how they compare. </p>
<p>O B J E C T I V E D A T A </p>
<p>UNDERGRADUATE ENROLLMENT<br>
U N Carolina 17,124 U Michigan 25,555 U Texas 37,037</p>
<p>% AND # OF STUDENTS WHO ARE IN-STATE<br>
U N Carolina 82% (14,042) U Michigan 66% (16,866) U Texas 94% (34,815)</p>
<p>% OF FEMALE STUDENTS<br>
U N Carolina 60% U Michigan 52% U Texas 54%</p>
<p>% OF WHITE/NON-HISPANIC STUDENTS<br>
U N Carolina 70% U Michigan 66% U Texas 54%</p>
<p>% FROM PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOLS<br>
U N Carolina 84% U Michigan 80% U Texas na</p>
<p>% OF STUDENTS IN GREEK LIFE (Male & Female)<br>
U N Carolina 11%/12% U Michigan 16%/15% U Texas 9%/13%</p>
<p>TOP MAJORS AT EACH SCHOOL (acc to collegeboard.com)
U N Carolina 17% Communications/Journalism, 14% Social Sciences, 10% Biology, 9% Business & Marketing, 9% Psychology, 7% Health Professions, 5% History, 5% English
U Michigan 17% Engineering, 16% Social Sciences, 8% Psychology, 6% Arts, 6% Biology, 6% Business/Marketing, 6% English,
U Texas 14% Social Sciences, 13% Communications & Journalism, 12% Business & Marketing, 11% Engineering, 8% Biology</p>
<p>IS & OOS COST (Tuition & Fees)<br>
U N Carolina $5,034 U Michigan $9,723 U Texas $ 7,630
U N Carolina $19,682 U Michigan $29,131 U Texas $ 20,364 </p>
<p>TOTAL COLLEGE ENDOWMENT AND PER CAPITA (undergrad and grad)
U N Carolina $1.15 bn ($45,284) U Michigan $5.65bn ($141,331) U Texas system $13.2 bn</p>
<p>AVERAGE HIGH/LOW IN FEBRUARY<br>
U N Carolina 54-30 U Michigan 34/19 U Texas 65-44</p>
<p>GRADUATION RATES<br>
-% OF STUDENTS EXPECTED TO GRADUATE IN 6 YEARS:
U N Carolina 82% U Michigan 83% U Texas 73%
-% OF STUDENTS WHO DO GRADUATE IN 6 YEARS:<br>
U N Carolina 84% U Michigan 87% U Texas 77%
-% OF STUDENTS WHO GRADUATE IN 4 YEARS:<br>
U N Carolina 65% U Michigan 70% U Texas
FRESHMAN RETENTION RATE<br>
U N Carolina 96% U Michigan 96% U Texas 93%
USNWR GRADUATION & RETENTION RANK:<br>
U N Carolina 32nd U Michigan 26th U Texas 59th </p>
<p>FACULTY RESOURCES<br>
-% OF CLASSES WITH <20 STUDENTS<br>
U N Carolina 47% U Michigan 45% U Texas 35%
-% OF CLASSES WITH 50+ STUDENTS<br>
U N Carolina 11% U Michigan 17% U Texas 23%
-FACULTY/STUDENT RATIO<br>
U N Carolina 14/1 U Michigan 15/1 U Texas 18/1
USNWR FACULTY RESOURCES RANK<br>
U N Carolina 50th U Michigan 69th U Texas 110th</p>
<p>STUDENT SELECTIVITY<br>
-% ACCEPTANCE RATE<br>
U N Carolina 34% U Michigan 47% U Texas 49%
-SAT/ACT RANGE (Middle 50%)<br>
U N Carolina 1200-1390 U Michigan 1210-1420 U Texas 1120-1370
-% OF STUDENTS RANKING IN TOP 10% IN HS CLASS<br>
U N Carolina 76% U Michigan 90% U Texas 70%
% OF STUDENTS WITH HS GPA > 3.75 (Unweighted)<br>
U N Carolina 93% U Michigan na U Texas na</p>
<h1>OF NMS FINALISTS IN 2005 (% of student body)</h1>
<pre><code>U N Carolina 149 (3.56%) U Michigan 75 (1.18%) U Texas 250 (2.70%)
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<h1>OF 1500 STUDENTS ENROLLED (% of student body)</h1>
<pre><code>U N Carolina 892 (5%) U Michigan 1645 (6%) U Texas 2516( (7%)
</code></pre>
<p>USNWR SELECTIVITY RANK<br>
U N Carolina 33rd U Michigan 23rd U Texas 48th</p>
<p>USNWR FINANCIAL RESOURCES RANK<br>
U N Carolina 31st U Michigan 29th U Texas 96th</p>
<p>ALUMNI GIVING %<br>
U N Carolina 23% U Michigan 17% U Texas 15%
USNWR ALUMNI GIVING RANK<br>
U N Carolina 46th U Michigan 83rd U Texas 109th</p>
<p>S U B J E C T I V E D A T A </p>
<p>PEER ASSESSMENT<br>
U N Carolina 4.2 U Michigan 4.5 U Texas 4.1</p>
<p>Besides the 10% rule, it is much harder to get into the "restricted admission" programs (e.g., engineering, business, communications) at UT-Austin. Here's how it works:</p>
<p>"Top 10% Texas graduates are admitted based on their relative class rank (beginning with the top 1%, top 2%, top 3%, etc.) until spaces available for automatic admission within the major are filled. (No more than 75% of available spaces in a restricted major are filled through automatic admission.)</p>
<p>If 75% of the available spaces in one of the majors are filled before all top 10% applicants are admitted, the remaining top 10% graduates compete with all other applicants to that major for the remaining spaces (at least 25%). Admission decisions about these remaining spaces are based on individual review. </p>
<p>Top 10% graduates who are not admitted to the major of their choice are considered for their second-choice major. All top 10% Texas high school graduates who meet UT Austin’s application requirements are admitted to the University, although they may not be admitted to their requested major(s)."</p>
<p>I am curious what it takes for an OOS applicant to get admitted to one of those programs.</p>
<p>Based on this info (from a different thread) of OOS students admitted by state:</p>
<p>U Texas TX 6336
U Texas CA 25
U Texas LA 22
U Texas MO 18
U Texas FL 17
U Texas OK 17
U Texas IL 16
U Texas CO 13</p>
<p>U of Michigan MI 3720
U of Michigan NY 395
U of Michigan IL 273
U of Michigan OH 182
U of Michigan CA 174
U of Michigan NJ 164
U of Michigan PA 91
U of Michigan MD 85
U of Michigan MA 71
U of Michigan FL 63
U of Michigan TX 58
U of Michigan CT 48
U of Michigan MN 44
U of Michigan MO 43
U of Michigan CO 33
U of Michigan VA 32
U of Michigan IN 31
U of Michigan WA 31
U of Michigan DC 29
U of Michigan GA 27
U of Michigan WI 27</p>
<p>U North Carolina NC 3109
U North Carolina VA 63
U North Carolina NY 61
U North Carolina FL 57
U North Carolina MD 53
U North Carolina GA 51
U North Carolina PA 33
U North Carolina NJ 31
U North Carolina SC 30
U North Carolina TX 24</p>
<p>I would say Michigan is easiest for OOS, followed by UNC, then UT.</p>
<p>Just to confirm--those are admitted numbers?</p>
<p>^ Sorry, it's number of freshman enrolled in those universities in 2004 or 2005. Here's a thread link: <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=365197%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=365197</a></p>