Middlebury College: A Stand Against Wikipedia

<p>why is this such a big deal? if people were <em>smart</em> they should realize that you shouldn't cite any online sources unless its already in print (like a periodical or journal). I was taught this in middle school. Whats the problem here?</p>

<p>And besides the fact that wikipedia is online, when was the last time you actually cited an encyclopedia in a paper? 5th grade? they're worthless seeing as a 50 minute lecture gives you way more information than the encyclopedia would give you anyway.</p>

<p>If people are citing wikipedia, or any encyclopedia in a college (or high school) paper, the paper is probably just not going to be any good.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.cornellsun.com/node/21501%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.cornellsun.com/node/21501&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://www.thedartmouth.com/article.php?aid=2007022002010%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.thedartmouth.com/article.php?aid=2007022002010&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://www.yaledailynews.com/articles/view/19798%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.yaledailynews.com/articles/view/19798&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>Geez! These dumb kids are everywhere!</p>

<p>Arcadia--I only read the Yale and Penn articles, but it's point seems to be that students at these schools know that Wiki is not a reliable or appropriate source. Not sure what your point is.</p>

<p>"I certainly consult Wikipedia, but I usually just read it to give me an idea of where to look for information or just to give a very general idea of a topic."</p>

<p>I agree. Use it to go to the source, although I did follow a wikipedia source recently and found that the info wikipedia took from the source was wrong. They were using raw numbers as percentages. They should have been dividing by 92 rather than 100. However, I certainly hope that Middlebury doesn't ban first order derivatives of wikipedia. Sometimes the fruit is bruised after it leaves the tree.</p>

<p>As a trained librarian with an MLS, I would say Wikipedia should never ever be used as a source in a paper. However, as others have stated, it can be a great tool to point you to other more reliable sources.</p>

<p>Basically, if you are doing academic work, then for heaven's sake use academic sources. Nearly all college and university libraries subscribe to print and electronic (online) journals, and electronic research databases. To not use them and to use Wikipedia instead is intellectual laziness of the highest degree.</p>

<p>garland--nice selective reading of the articles. Here's the first paragraph of the Cornell article:</p>

<p>"One professor in the city and regional planning department tells her students that she will “slash” their essays if they use Wikipedia as the sole source of information. She is tired of reading research papers that are falsely cited and finding that the free Internet encyclopedia is to blame. The professor’s hostility towards Wikipedia is part of a growing sentiment among professors who are banding together against the citation of inaccurate information."</p>

<p>From the Yale article: [Yale] History professor Michael Gasper explicitly outlawed the use of Wikipedia as a source for papers in his class “A History of the Palestine/Israel Question.” “This paper will be based on your own research,” Gasper wrote in the syllabus for the class. “Please do not even think of using Wikipedia or other such websites as sources for your paper. Wait! You THOUGHT about it!!”</p>

<p>The Yale prof line was a joke, it seemed to me. I would call that selective use.</p>

<p>"While most Yale students said they knew better than to cite the Web site in an academic paper, many said they still informally make use of the Web site. "</p>

<p>that seems to be the actual gist of the article. But wholesale potshots at entire student bodies is probably more fun.</p>

<p>Garland--I think you're missing my sarcasm. I was listing these articles in response to jags861's comment above that "smart" people wouldn't think to use Wikipedia in the first place. I don't actually think that any of the kids at these schools (including Middlebury, of course) are dumb. Quite the contrary. I was simply pointing out that this issue is not unique to Middlebury (my alma mater), and a ban on citing Wiki articles doesn't mean that kids are dumb.</p>

<p>I never said the "smart" wouldn't think about using it. I said that if people were smart (which would imply that if people made smart actions) then they wouldn't use wikipedia in their papers. papers that rely on wikipedia generally suck. When a professor basicly says "you're going to get a crappy grade if you use wikipedia" that would imply that the paper sucked or is going to suck.</p>

<p>also, reading at least the first article (i wasn't going to read all 4) i notice 1 quote - “I will use Wikipedia if I need to look up an equation or if I want to get background information before starting my research, but I wouldn’t ever cite it in a paper" - BINGO thats how you use it.</p>

<p>Contributor not the professor he claimed to be
Mary Vallis, National Post
Published: Thursday, March 08, 2007
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/33nqmb%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://tinyurl.com/33nqmb&lt;/a>
The anonymous user-driven encyclopedia Wikipedia is struggling to regain people's trust after one of its most trusted and prolific editors, who claimed to be a professor of religion, was exposed as a 24-year-old from Kentucky.</p>

<p>Jimmy Wales, Wikipedia's cofounder, said yesterday contributors to the collaborative online service will be allowed to remain anonymous, but it will ask those claiming to have professional credentials to identify themselves. Mr. Wales appears to have changed his tune since he spoke with The New Yorker.</p>

<p>Last week, the magazine revealed in an editor's note that it had reported the false credentials of a Wikipedia administrator and contributor calling himself Essjay and claiming to be a tenured professor. Essjay and his comments appeared in a feature story published in July, 2006. The magazine later learned that Essjay was Ryan Jordan, a young man without any advanced degrees.</p>

<p>"I regard it as a pseudonym and I don't really have a problem with it," Mr. Wales told The New Yorker last week.</p>

<p>Critics of Wikipedia have seized on the Essjay scandal as further proof that the participatory Web site, whose supporters claim to be as reliable as traditional encyclopedias, is not to be trusted.</p>

<p>Regarding the original subject of this thread, from later in that same article:</p>

<p>"The online encyclopedia took another blow last month when the history department at Vermont's Middlebury College banned students from using the site in citations. Don Wyatt, the department's chairman, said the latest scandal is "vindicating in an interesting way.""</p>

<p>I think the Essjay scandal is hysterical.</p>

<p>People who are really interested in the Middlebury story might want to go here: <a href="http://mt.middlebury.edu/middblogs/jmittell/JustTV/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://mt.middlebury.edu/middblogs/jmittell/JustTV/&lt;/a>. Jason Mittell is a professor at Middlebury and this is his blog. He has four entries devoted to the Wikipedia controversy; the 2/28 one includes a video of an hourlong forum on campus about Wikipedia (I watched it and found it very interesting). Mittell, who was quoted in the NY Times story, argues that Wikipedia has a place in college research. Read his blog for his position. </p>

<p>I haven't read this entire thread, so it is possible this has already been said, but part of the impetus for the history department policy had nothing to do with students citing Wikipedia in papers, but using it as a study guide instead of doing their assigned reading. Essentially, Wikipedia as Cliff Notes.</p>

<p>Neil Waters, Professor of History and Kawashima Professor of Japanese Studies at Middlebury College on the Wiki:</p>

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It seemed like a no-brainer. Several students in one of my classes included the same erroneous information in final examination essays. Google whisked me immediately to Wikipedia, where I found the source of the erroneous information in under a minute. To prevent recurrences of the problem, I wrote a policy for consideration by the history department, in less than two minutes: " 1)Students are responsible for the accuracy of information they provide, and they cannot point to Wikipedia or any similar source that may appear in the future to escape the consequences of errors. 2)Wikipedia is not an acceptable citation, even though it may lead one to a citable source."</p>

<p>I brought up this modest policy proposal, suitably framed in whereases and be it resolveds, at the next meeting of the department, and it was passed within about three minutes, and we moved on to more pressing business. And that, I thought, was that - a good six minutes worth of work, culminating in clear guidelines for the future. Some colleagues felt I was belaboring the obvious, and they were right. The history department always has held students responsible for accuracy, and does not consider general encyclopedias of the bound variety to be acceptable for citation either. But Wikipedia seemed worth mentioning by name because it is omnipresent and because its "open-source" method of compilation makes it a different animal from, say, the Encyclopedia Britannica.</p>

<p>The Campus published an article on the departmental policy, and the rest, as they say, is history. Alerted by the online version of The Campus Tim Johnson of The Burlington Free Press interviewed me and a spokesman for Wikipedia who agreed with the history department's position, and published an article. Several college newspapers followed suit, and then Noam Cohen of The New York Times interviewed Don Wyatt, chair of the History Department, and me, and published the story. Within a day it received more online "hits" than any other New York Times feature. Another interview followed with the Asahi Shimbun in Tokyo, and additional articles appeared in El Pais in Spain, The Guardian in England, and then in literally hundreds of newspapers in the US and abroad. Along with other members of the History Department, I found myself giving interviews almost daily - to radio stations, newspaper reporters, inquisitive high school students, WCAX television news in Burlington, and even to the NBC Nightly News, which sent correspondent Lisa Daniels to Middlebury to interview me and students in my History of Modern Japan class. A stream of phone calls and e-mails from a wide range of people, from Wikipedia disciples to besieged librarians who felt free at last to express their Wikipedia misgivings, continues to the present. Somehow the modest policy adoption by the History Department at Middlebury College hit a nerve.</p>

<p>Why this overwhelming spate of interest? I can think of three reasons immediately: 1) Timing. Wikipedia has existed since 2001, but it has expanded exponentially, and reached a critical mass in the last couple of years. With over 1.6 million entries in its English language edition, Wikipedia has something to say about almost everything. Its popularity has soared with its comprehensiveness and ease of use, and its ease of use in turn has been enhanced by popularity-driven algorithms; Google lists a Wikipedia article in first or second place more often than not. 2) Passion. There is something exciting about the growth and development of an entity to which anyone can contribute.</p>

<p>At its best, Wikipedia works wonders. Anonymous editors actually improve entries over time, including new material, editing away mistakes, polishing the writing. Accordingly, some of Wikipedia's defenders approach their task with near-religious zeal. But Wikipedia at its worst excites similarly intense passions, because anonymous, non-accountable editors can include, through ignorance or malice, misinformation that may or may not get "fixed." Further, thousands of high school teachers as well as college professors who try mightily to induce a measure of critical thinking in their students' approach to sources for research grow quietly furious because the very ubiquity of Wikipedia tempts people to use it in lieu of other, more reliable sources of information. 3) Scandals. The Wikipedia entry for John Siegenthaler, Sr. in 2004 contained spurious accusations that he was a suspect in the assassinations of both John F. Kennedy and Robert Kennedy. The entry was unaltered for four months (thereafter authors of new entries, but not editors of existing entries, had to register their names with Wikipedia). A Wikipedia "policeman" turned out to have bogus credentials. Sinbad was declared dead (he has since risen again). All this keeps the pot boiling.</p>

<p>In the final analysis, Wikipedia's greatest strength is also its greatest weakness. Anonymous, unaccountable, unpaid, often non-expert yet passionate editors built Wikipedia, but their anonymity and lack of accountability assures that Wikipedia cannot be considered an authoritative source. And yet it is frequently used as if it were, Wikipedia's own disclaimers notwithstanding. College professors and high school teachers alike need to remember that the impressive computer acumen of their students does not automatically translate into impressive levels of critical thought, particularly when it comes to evaluating the reliability of the new tools at their disposal, and of the information those tools provide. The internet has opened up new highways of information, but we need to know how to spot the potholes.

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<p><a href="http://media.www.middleburycampus.com/media/storage/paper446/news/2007/04/11/Opinions/OpEd-Wikiphobia.The.Latest.In.Open.Source-2833080-page2.shtml%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://media.www.middleburycampus.com/media/storage/paper446/news/2007/04/11/Opinions/OpEd-Wikiphobia.The.Latest.In.Open.Source-2833080-page2.shtml&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>"All faculty members will be telling students about the policy and explaining why material on Wikipedia ? while convenient ? may not be trustworthy."</p>

<p>Hopefully that pack of leftwing loonies will issue the same warnign about their own published works.</p>

<p>aww wiki is my idol</p>

<p>wiki co founder recommends an alternative encyclopedia</p>

<p>Thanks for posting that - I mentioned Citizendium in post #114.</p>

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The stated aim of the project is to create a "new compendium of knowledge" based on the contributions of "intellectuals", defined as "educated, thinking people who read about science or ideas regularly."[11] Citizendium hopes to foster an expert culture and a community that encourages subject specialists (presently named as "editors") to contribute, and "citizens" (to be called "authors") to "respect" the expert contributions (by what he referred to as a "gentle process of guidance").</p>

<p>An appeals process for disagreements between editors and authors, and between different editors, will be in place, according to a provisional "Citizendium Policy Outline" published by Sanger.[12] Experts will be required to verify their qualifications openly, for transparency and publicly accepted authority.[12] This contrasts with the open and largely anonymous nature of Wikipedia, where subject specialists have neither any verifiable special knowledge of their subject nor agreed special status. Sanger has stated that editors will not have pre-approval rights over edits by ordinary authors, though editors will have somewhat undefined authority over articles that fall within their specific area of expertise.

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<p>Really is amazing just how much of a fuss this all stirred up - but Wiki or no Wiki, it still is an encyclopedia.</p>

<p>I was sooo worried when this article was first posted because my son wrote one of his college essays about the wiki sites he visits and how they define him as a person and thinker. He didn't apply to Club Midd--a great school, but too close to home--but the essay seemed to go down fine at the schools where he did apply. Don't worry--be happy!</p>