Misconceptions About Vanderbilt

<h1>I'm a current student at Vandy from the Northeast and I have found MANY misconceptions on these boards which I will clear up for anyone who cares.</h1>

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Vanderbilt is a very conservative school

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<p>According to student polls, there are more liberals at Vanderbilt now than conservatives. The school would most accurately be described as moderate. Facebook, while not scientific, also has similiar trends with an even number of liberals, moderates, and conservatives (with slightly more liberals than conservatives).</p>

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Vanderbilt is very southern

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<p>Half of Vanderbilt undergraduates come from areas outside of the south. States like New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Florida, and California are heavily represented. The geographic diversity here is very good.
<a href="http://www.vanderbilt.edu/admissions/diversityGeo.php%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.vanderbilt.edu/admissions/diversityGeo.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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Vanderbilt is for very preppy and only for wealthy kids

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<p>There are definitely some very wealthy kids here, but people always forget that over 60% of the people here recieve financial aid. There is a "preppy" element and students dress well, but if you read a Princeton Review article about Vanderbilt it seems to brand everyone at Vanderbilt as wearing popped collars --- meanwhile most of the kids just wear regular clothes. Also -- McGill Hall is like a "mini-NYU" at Vanderbilt. No matter who you are you can find your niche here. Overall, people are very friendly and welcoming.</p>

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<p>Here are specific recent criticisms of Vanderbilt:</p>

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I never really associated Vandy w/ academic accomplishment. More like partying and cheerleading..

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<p>Vanderbilt's academic programs and students are top-notch. When you look at data for incoming students, the test scores are ranged 1300-1470 with a 33% acceptance rate with vast improvements every year. Stereotyping the campus as jocks and cheerleaders doesn't give an accurate representation -- the school attracts some of the brightest kids in the nation. Vanderbilt students generally have excellent social skills. But when did being gregarious and having good-looks become a negative? Social intelligence and physical attractiveness are valuable assets to have in the real world and Vanderbilt is one of the few elite schools where most students are both good-looking and smart.</p>

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maybe for southern kids whose parents wished they would go to an ivy but they just didn't study hard enough

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<p>Another ignorant statement. First, I wouldn't group all the Ivies as a whole. Despite its academic connotations, the Ivy League is just a sports conference. There is a gap in prestige between HYP and the rest of the Ivies. Second, many of the southerners at Vandy WANT to go to a southern school (gasp). Most southerners would chose Vanderbilt over lower-Ivies. Looking at Revealed Preference data is misleading because only the kids who would consider Northern schools would even apply to the lower-Ivies to begin with. But the liberalism and culture at schools like Brown and Columbia are vastly different from the traditions at Vanderbilt. Third, Vanderbilt is significantly more diverse geographically than you give it credit for. I am from New York (one of the heaviest represented states at Vandy) and I have never felt out of place. Instead, I have met friends from all across the country.</p>

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like a school that was founded to be elite.. w/ nothing to back that up unlike U Chicago

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<p>Vanderbilt has been prestigious for over 100 years so I am not sure what you are basing this on. The school was more regionalized before the 1970s but it has always been highly regarded in the south. The school has a tremendous sense of tradition (particularly in the liberal arts). When you look through a Vandy scrapbook you will find famous literary groups such as the Fugitives and Agrarians. Robert Penn Warren, a Vandy undergrad, is largely considered the founder of New Criticism -- a dominant mode of textual analysis.</p>

<p>As for U. Chicago, the school is known for embracing its nerdiness. Alumni Tucker Max dubbed it "The school that beauty forgot" or “the perfect place for every ugly nerd in the country”. Vanderbilt, conversely, is a school that prides itself on its academic and social balance. As a student I know the classroom discussions at Vandy are highly intellectual, but on the weekends people would rather have fun and relax than discuss Foucault and postmodernism. There is absolutely no cut-throat atmosphere here and people would rather be your friend than beat you on a test. In the end, you only get one chance at a college experience so you better pick a place that fits. I love Vandy and I turned down Ivies to be here. The school has a charming sense of tradition (dressing up and taking dates to football games, etc.) while other T-20 schools have comparatively weak dating scenes/parties. Just because a school has a strong social scene, doesn’t mean the students aren’t serious about their academics and professional goals.</p>

<p>Um....ok. 50 percent southern students does a southern college make, IMHO. Besides, you later referred to it as a southern school yourself.</p>

<p>You emphasize physical appearance a lot in your post. Maybe some people don't want to attend a college where that's such a defining factor ... And some people <em>like</em> to have intellectual conversations in their spare time, you make it seem as if it was something bad. If you are truly a smart person, you don't turn off your intelligence as if it were a switch when you go out to have fun.</p>

<p>All in all, nice effort on your part, but in my opinion you've only succeeded in reinforcing the ideas many people have about Vanderbilt.</p>

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50 percent southern students does a southern college make, IMHO. Besides, you later referred to it as a southern school yourself.

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<p>Vanderbilt will always have a southern element which is a positive in my opinion. But heavily represented among that 50% is Florida which is not exactly the most "southern" state. When I was applying to schools, people made Vandy seem like a school that you wouldn't be able to fit in if you came from other regions of the country which couldn't be further from the truth.</p>

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You emphasize physical appearance a lot in your post. Maybe some people don't want to attend a college where that's such a defining factor

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<p>I only emphasized these things because someone attacked the school as being essentially filled with Barbie/Ken Dolls. In reality, most of the kids here are very intelligent and good-looks shouldn't be considered a negative. Having strong social skills should be seen as a positive aspect of an undergraduate student body. Also -- a large part of my post deals with chosing a school based upon fit.</p>

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And some people <em>like</em> to have intellectual conversations in their spare time, you make it seem as if it was something bad

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<p>Intellectual conversations are great. I didn't mean to imply that Vandy students "turn off" their intelligence on the weekends. There are plenty of kids here who will have philosophy conversations and like to discuss ideas. But at the same time, Vanderbilt also a great party scene.</p>

<p>"Some people don't want to attend a college where physical apperance is emphasized"</p>

<p>yeah. ugly students.</p>

<p>Saying that everybody at Chicago is ugly, nerdy, and anti-social is committing the same crime as saying that everybody at Vandy is pretty, conservative, and southern. Didn't we just learn that blanket statements don't work?</p>

<p>I know nerdy people at Vandy and I know beautiful people at Chicago. I'm happy that both schools have a little bit of something for everyone. And Tucker Max, for all he puts the school down, never says that he hated it. If anything, he graduated in 3 years as a Law, Letters, and Society major. And he still found time to party.</p>

<p>We love to make fun of our school. If we didn't, why would students have to pre-order their "Where Fun Comes to Die" sweatshirts?</p>

<p>I agree with amykins. Talk about Vanderbilt all you want (and I agree that it is a school with a lot of underappreciated positives), but leave U Chicago out of this Both are terrific schools and both enjoy great support from their students and alumni.</p>

<p>This post doesn't do anything for Vanderbilt's reputation.</p>

<p>A school that is half conservative/half liberal is very conservative for an academic institution. Most schools are very liberal (I believe only 10% of professors at Cornell are republican, for example). </p>

<p>Again, a school that is half Southern is VERY Southern. </p>

<p>And stereotyping UChicago in a post that's supposed to be abolishing college stereotypes is a nice touch. ;)</p>

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A school that is half conservative/half liberal is very conservative

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<p>I disagree. When someone posts on a messageboard that a school is very conservative one would reasonably conclude that most of the students are conservatives (which is not the case). Vanderbilt has a mix of ideological beliefs.</p>

<p>Statement #1:
Vanderbilt is very conservative (false)</p>

<p>Statement #2:
Vanderbilt is conservative compared to other top colleges (true)</p>

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a school that is half Southern is VERY Southern

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<p>If a school is located in the south, and has half of its undergraduates come from other regions of the country/world I wouldn't typecast it as "very southern". I'd reserve "very southern" for other SEC schools where the vast majority of the students are from the south.</p>

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and stereotyping UChicago...

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<p>The comments I quoted were taken from an actual U.Chicago alumni which is arguably different from the people on this board who bash Vanderbilt without ever visiting the school. Nevertheless, U. Chicago is a great school and deserves praise. However, my response was to a specific Chicago student who thought Vanderbilt was not elite because it had too many "jocks/cheerleaders". I don't believe a school has to have a stereotypical "nerdy" student body to be considered as an elite university. As I stated previously, I believe dressing well, good looks, and strong social skills are generally positive qualities to have in the business world or relationships in general.</p>

<p>I've been looking at Vanderbilt for a while, and I really appreciate this post. </p>

<p>Since you're a current student, I'd just like to ask you a question. I know that Vanderbilt has said that they are actively recruiting Jewish students and that they hope to have a greater number of Jews on campus. Would you say that there is a sizable number of Jews on campus, and would you say that they (especially those from the northeast, where I assume many of them are from) fit in socially? </p>

<p>Thanks for your time.</p>

<p>The Jewish population has skyrocketed here. Five years ago it was around 2% but is now around 10-15% and the Hillel is very active. Several of my friends are Jewish and they love the school (and have their younger siblings applying). You won't have any trouble fitting in socially.</p>

<p>I pity the ignorance of people who believe Vanderbilt is not an "intellectual" environment merely because of its reputation as a work hard play hard school. The two concepts are NOT mutually exclusive. Frankly, I could care less about what uninformed people say about Vanderbilt; job employers will know that a degree from Vanderbilt is definitely worth pursuing.</p>

<p>Some have disdain for the GPA of the students whom they let in. Compare:</p>

<p>Vanderbilt:</p>

<pre><code>* 46% had h.s. GPA of 3.75 and higher
* 25% had h.s. GPA between 3.5 and 3.74
* 17% had h.s. GPA between 3.25 and 3.49
* 8% had h.s. GPA between 3.0 and 3.24
* 4% had h.s. GPA between 2.5 and 2.99
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<p>Cal Poly San Luis Obispo (California State University):</p>

<pre><code>* 49% had h.s. GPA of 3.75 and higher
* 23% had h.s. GPA between 3.5 and 3.74
* 16% had h.s. GPA between 3.25 and 3.49
* 8% had h.s. GPA between 3.0 and 3.24
* 4% had h.s. GPA between 2.5 and 2.99
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<p>In fact, by those numbers, Cal Poly seems to be a bit higher. (Though I am not saying that Cal Poly is a better school than Vandy.)</p>

<p>GPA is not the correct ground for comparison. GPA is calculated and reported differently and it varies drastically from school to school. I know plenty of school districts who award a 3.5 for a numeric average of 85-89, whereas my school counts that as a 3.0. CollegeBoard does not normalize the data that is reported to them, and who can blame them? Thousands of universities and colleges around the nation report GPA using their own means and methods.</p>

<p>If you want an accurate comparison, use standardized test scores which serves to compare applicants straight across the board (hence the word, standardized):</p>

<p>Middle 50% Of Accepted Students:
Vanderbilt University: 1360-1510 / 31-33</p>

<p>These numbers are from CAS which comprises the majority of the Vanderbilt student body. And, I don't know about you, but those look like Ivy league type numbers to me.</p>

<p>But, again, I stand by my previous post:</p>

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I pity the ignorance of people who believe Vanderbilt is not an "intellectual" environment merely because of its reputation as a work hard play hard school. The two concepts are NOT mutually exclusive. Frankly, I could care less about what uninformed people say about Vanderbilt; job employers will know that a degree from Vanderbilt is definitely worth pursuing.

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Do the same people have disdain for the GPA of Chicago students? 79% of Vanderbilt admits were in the top 10% of their class, comparable to 80% at Chicago. In contrast, Cal Poly San Luis Obispo has 39% from the 10% of their class.</p>

<p>I also have an inkling that perhaps more Vanderbilt students come from private schools, many of which are difficult to achieve a 3.75+ in.
For example, my school sends a couple of kids a year these days (60 kids per graduating class, Jewish private) and they have GPAs around 3.7. A 3.7 at my school is a great accomplishment, wheras at a state univeristy (Cal Poly, for example) they'd probably take more students from public schools or schools in general where such high GPAs are more common and instead of 3.7 being top 20% they're more like top 45%.</p>

<p>note: didn't see what kemet said. It's pretty much the same idea. Consider the schools and classes in which such GPAs were attained.</p>