<p>Concealed</a> weapons bill meets objections on campus - Columbia Missourian</p>
<p>Despite police and students objections, the Missouri House of Representatives passed a bill legalizing concealed-carry firearms on campus.</p>
<p>Thoughts? I support guns in general but this sounds like a really bad idea.</p>
<p>What is their reasoning for doing so?</p>
<p>I feel schools should be completely free of weapons.</p>
<p>[Students</a> for Concealed Carry on Campus - ConcealedCampus.org](<a href=“http://concealedcampus.org/]Students”>http://concealedcampus.org/)</p>
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<p>Never mind that a few missed shots could turn a shootout into a disaster.</p>
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<p>They admit that there is a risk. To me, the risk of accidental shootings would seem much more present than the risk of someone shooting up the school.</p>
<p>Missouri. hmm i wonder what states are next.<br>
I read somewhere Pennsylvania is considering similar action.
Another reason why I’m out of this milk-producing state.</p>
<p>Don’t get me wrong I’m a conservative myself, but GUNS on CAMPUS is pushing it.</p>
<p>i dont think they are gonna give a concealed carry license to anyone who doesnt know how to shoot a gun. my point is, not every random person on campus is gonna be packin heat. im sure there is some sort of licensing process or something. Utah has this same law and it seems to be working over there. the thing is, when guns are illegal, only those who are willing to break the law will have guns. Even so, im not sure students should all be eligible. maybe a faculty only type thing? i dunno…</p>
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<p>Actually campuses are very safe, and most rapes occur because of intoxication/date rape and not the dark alley stereotype people think of. Murders almost never happen, so they get a lot of publicity when they do. I’d say there IS empirical evidence that granting that right will do more harm than good.</p>
<p>Excellent - thats great news.</p>
<p>If you think about the facts logically, you’ll see that its not as bad as some people would make it out to be, nor is it any more of a risk than anything else.</p>
<p>This law doesn’t make it legal for all students to CCW on campus, but rather only those who are over 21 and already have a CCW license (which means background checks and training). Those students can already carry a concealed firearm and use it for self-defense anywhere else they are allowed to carry… even right up to the sidewalks bordering university property. All this law does it remove that invisible line that prevents them from carrying legally onto University property… nothing more.</p>
<p>Btw, this is already legal in Utah - how many horror stories have you head out of there?</p>
<p>Now, if you want to know how this thread will develop over the next 1,500 posts, just head on over here:
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe-election-politics/659394-advice-choosing-gun.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe-election-politics/659394-advice-choosing-gun.html</a></p>
<p>21 and up is good, means that not everyone will have guns. Still, that’s going to be a lot of guns in a crowded environment.</p>
<p>I’ve got no problem with people who have CC licenses legally carrying their guns on campus.</p>
<p>"Still, that’s going to be a lot of guns in a crowded environment. "</p>
<p>What percentage of college students do you think have a CC license and would actively carry a gun?</p>
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<p>Movie theaters, office buildings, and shopping malls can assess security risks for themselves and decided whether concealed carry is safe. The universities were not given the opportunity to do this and in fact opposed allowing guns on campus. The government forced this rule on the campuses.</p>
<p>“What percentage of college students do you think have a CC license and would actively carry a gun?”</p>
<p>At my school, none.</p>
<p>“Location: Blacksburg, VA”</p>
<p>Oh ****, you’re gonna use a John McCain style “ah was there” argument i’m leaving.</p>
<p>Even at a more conservative (assuming a coorelation between being conservative and owning a gun, which I doubt you’ll have a problem with) school there are very, very few people who have a CC license. I’d say the majority of them that get one plan to use it, but with how few actually have one I don’t think it is fair to say that allowing those with CC licenses to carry on campus would put “a lot of guns” anywhere.</p>
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<p>Not when you consider the number of people throughout society with CCWs. In Florida, there are currently 562,000 valid permits for a population of 18.3 million, for a percentage of about 2.2% - this is even less when you consider that Florida issues license to non-Florida residents. So lets say generously that 1.5% of the population even has a CCW. </p>
<p>Now consider that only a fraction of those with licenses actually carries on a daily basis, and only a fraction of licenses are held by college-aged people (i think I heard something like 26% of licenses in FL held by 21-36 year olds). When you think about these facts, the true number of students actually carrying on any given day will be very small.</p>
<p>edit: here is my source - <a href=“http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/stats/cw_monthly.html[/url]”>http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/stats/cw_monthly.html</a></p>
<p>Most crimes aren’t committed by people who legally own guns, and the more people who are present with legal guns, the safer it is.</p>
<p>I’m with Icarus, this is great news.</p>
<p>Until the 1960’s, many high schools had shooting teams. The kids would bring their own guns to school on the bus, in their cars, or walking to school and people didn’t freak out. There weren’t any shootings at schools then either. </p>
<p>Concealed Carry Permit holders are amongst the most law abiding people in the country. Besides having to have a background check and training, they know that they have to be more responsible than the average person or face legal problems. Less than 1% of permit holders have been charged with a gun crime which would lead to revocation of the permit. A quick look at each state attorney general’s statistics will show how rare it is to revoke a carry permit.</p>
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<p>no offense, but Columbine, Virginia Tech, Northern Illinois, and Texas weren’t stopped because people weren’t allowed to carry guns. Funny how the people who legally own guns are not the problem.</p>
<p>See, this is the problem, people think they could have been a hero and stopped these shootings, in reality they probably would have made them worse.</p>
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<p>How? Either they shoot and injure or kill the person doing the shooting, or they die themselves? How’s that make it worse? These people will be trained. They would likely be pretty good shots as a result of their training, so don’t expect them to just start shooting innocent bystanders accidently. They might not always be the heroes, and could be killed in the shooting, but I think in at least one of the shootings, if there was someone who legally had a weapon, and was going to try to stop it, at least on of the shootings would probably have been stopped.</p>
<p>I’m somewhat pro-gun, home defense and all of that. But this bothers me.</p>
<p>The type of people who will get CC permits maybe not by the murdering type. But I bet there is a lot of overlap with the drunken frat boy type. I wouldn’t feel safe knowing that the guy stumbling around and slurring could have a gun on him.</p>
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<p>Most of the drunken frat boy group don’t really care about CCWs. Those that do are typically responsible enough to know when they should and should not be carrying. But again, you’re falling into the trap of putting together the drunken college student stereotype with the idea that 100% of them will have a gun on them 100% of the time, which is simply false.</p>
<p>Not to mention that, off campus, that frat boy could actually have a gun legally… certainly not while actually drunk (there are almost always laws against carrying while intoxicated)</p>