<p>Yeah, I'm get that pundit, I'm just nosy....and I'm not going to apologize about it. </p>
<p>On a friendlier note, I think you can drop the "Dr." from her title now!</p>
<p>There is no reason to bring her daughter or her daughter's college into this.</p>
<p>Yes, the "Dr." title is sarcastic now.</p>
<p>Her mother brought her into this long before today......this info is ALL over the public venue.</p>
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<p>Marilee Jones | September 14, 2006
"A Post For Parents"</p>
<p>As I write this I'm resting up after seeing my only child off to college on the West Coast, a wonderful school far far from our home. For as long as I've been parenting I've been dreading this moment. Many times through the years my eyes would tear up with the thought of my young daughter leaving home... leaving me. Since Nora was ten I've been jokingly telling people that when she goes off to college, I'm heading straight for Logan airport and for a long crying jag on a pristine beach somewhere in Hawaii. It sounded like the perfect plan at the time.</p>
<p>As it turns out, the whole past year - my daughter's senior year - was hellish, as she struggled to discover herself and break away while carrying a tough courseload and applying to college, and as I struggled to balance family life with my burgeoning career. My sisters and friends who had preceded me through this phase of parenting had long warned me how difficult the senior year of high school was, saying things like, "buckle your seatbelt because 18 year olds can be such a pain." I knew that their advice, as well-intentioned as it was, was irrelevant to me, however, because Nora and I had always been so close. Surely we would breeze through her last year at home, no problem. Hah!
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<p>just ONE such source:
<a href="http://www.mitadmissions.org/topics/before/helping_your_parents_through_this_process/a_post_for_parents.shtml%5B/url%5D">http://www.mitadmissions.org/topics/before/helping_your_parents_through_this_process/a_post_for_parents.shtml</a></p>
<p>I mean "this" as in the current debacle.</p>
<p>It is within her own right to talk about her experience with her daughter.</p>
<p>I just don't understand your keen interest in bringing her daughter into this.</p>
<p>about as much as it was Cho and not his sister a Princeton Alum who was all public? Fair is just that......much of info about her kid is public. I posted ONE such blog.....there are public speeches by Dr. Marilee amongst other such reveals. Graduation speech at daughter's high school. I could go on.</p>
<p>Did she actually call herself "Dr," or are you guys being humorous? I mean, did she not only give herself an imaginary college diploma, but she gave herself a PhD, too? I know MIT referred to her as a "trained scientist," so I'm curious-- did she ever teach any courses there? That's pretty astonishing to not just stop at the undergraduate degree level, but to go for advanced degrees too-- you know, in the imaginary scheme of things. I guess that adds another realm to the the age-old question on CC, "does it really matter what school you go to?"</p>
<p>I feel that you are crossing the line, hazmat. Cho is a far cry from Jones. </p>
<p>Why torment her daughter? Imagine if you were in her position for a moment.</p>
<p>jack: I remember her being referred to as "Dr. Marilee Jones," but a google search shows hits in the blurbs but not the actual result pages, which is interesting.</p>
<p>I did NOTreveal the kids name........not her surname. I revealed the school on CC it is known many other places and that is of interest in this situation.</p>
<p>You are entitled to your opinion. I did not reveal her name, I did not add a surname and I think that I compared ONLY the fact that public info is just that. Marilee put her kid's name out there all the time and in many ways. Sad but true. I repeat I did NOT report here her full name.......nor the name of her previous school.</p>
<p>Look, I don't want to get in a huge debate about her daughter (and I know that the threads were merged, but I have no idea what Hazmat's post means...). However, the truth is that her daughter is a grown woman--not a little girl--and has been mentioned in many articles and speeches about/by Marilee Jones. When someone is in the public eye, their family is in the public eye, and I DO wonder about her daughter. I'm sure her family is very upset and embarrassed right now, but the people who have been in much worse situations than the Jones family are tracked down by the press and thrust into the public eye all the time, so my sympathy doesn't run that deep.</p>
<p>Fine.</p>
<p>Continue the Jones bashing then.</p>
<p>Bashing? What comment re: daugher did I make? NONE.</p>
<p>As someone seriously hoping to be a member of the class of 2012, this is very upsetting to me. I am concerned that there will be a backlash against the kind of policies she worked to implement, which I largely support, despite people's various criticisms (for reasons for my opinions, see <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?p=3952555#post3952555%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?p=3952555#post3952555</a> .. In short: I saw people who should be admitted and people who shouldn't be weren't ... and MIT being a fun, very diverse place)</p>
<p>While I don't condone what she did, I think people here (and probably elsewhere) are being MUCH too harsh. Most likely she was under a pressure similar to that which she has tried to fight when applying and padded her resume (note for example, she did attend RPI, but did not receive a degree; the others are probably something to the same effect). Once hired, she probably basically didn't worry about it. As she said, she wasn't brave enough to correct it, because that would probably have resulted in her dismissal. It sounds to me like a stupid, youth mistake .. the kind that reasonably should be expected from ambitious young people who feel a pressure to "measure up." </p>
<p>Its fairly apparent that whatever her actual credentials are, they have been sufficient for her to do a terrific job and I think her work should stand for something. MIT is supposed to be a meritocracy .. I think her ten years of service as Dean have shown her merit.. even if she lacked it upfront. Personally, I think that if not lying would have stopped from getting her into a position to try to relieve the type of pressures that led her to do it, then maybe its a good thing she did so.</p>
<p>Anyway, I'm concerned about what MIT's policies will become next year when it matters for me.</p>
<p>I still say, consider what good she has done, and wait for the full story before condemning her as morally bankrupt </p>
<p>~Donald</p>
<p>I am trying to understand why people are so empathic to someone who listed many false credentials.</p>
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Excellent post, ejr. I am both hugely shocked and very saddened by this news. My son did not apply to MIT, but over the time I've spent on CC, I've read the MIT admissions officers' blogs and have come to have an immense amount of respect for the entire admissions staff of that esteemed institution. This stunning lack of integrity from someone in whom many have placed such trust, faith, and respect is exceedingly disappointing. Our kids need, above all else, excellent role models. Why did another one have to bite the dust? :(</p>
<p>~berurah</p>
<p>Don't worry Donald. Just as it took a while to implement those policies, it will take a while to destroy them.</p>
<p>Agreed. I doubt the admissions policies will change in the slightest.</p>
<p>Donald, I wouldn't worry about a backlash in terms of admissions policies. The Admissions Staff believes in their current approach to admissions and that isn't likely to change radically with a new Dean. Anyone taking that position now would be wise to make a statement about integrity, and then continue with the current policies, rather than making some radical change. After all, today's revelations are about the Dean herself, not about the Admissions Staff, who will still be tomorrow the competent, caring, dedicated professionals they are today and were yesterday. Nor is this about their admissions philosophy. And they do care about and support the current admissions philosophy.</p>
<p>I don't know if this is what you mean, drnancie, but I think that when many say that they are sad, they are not necessarily indicating their sympathy for Jones but are instead indicating their disappointment that such a seemingly bright spot in the admissions offices has disappeared. That's how I feel, anyway.</p>