<p>To quote another user: "let he who is without sin, cast the first stone"</p>
<p>She lied, which was very wrong, but she did many wonderful things for MIT and for college admissions as well. Don't beat up on her because you want to make yourself feel better, and don't bash MIT cause you're jealous or ignorant (why the hell else would you guys be abusing a great school?)</p>
<p>There is no doubt that MIT is a wonderful place which turns out brilliant graduates who are among the world's most socially committed.
It is those who insist on defending Marilee Jones as a positive good that engage in the worst kind of MIT bashing. In so doing they impeach the moral crediblity of the school.
The MIT community should acknowledge that the school made significant careless errors in hiring and promoting her. Acknowledge that it is natural that rejected students question the integrity of the process. Show the academic world that the administration is taking steps to assess whether Jones may have implemented inappropriate policies and whether she commited other acts of dishonesty during her tenure.
To treat her lack of qualifications and dishonest acts as necessarily irrelevant to the process is to appear to self righteously sweep the whole mess under the rug.</p>
<p>holycow - excellent post.</p>
<p>So having a heart is MIT bashing?</p>
<p>You know it IS possible to have integrity and have compassion as well...</p>
<p>Have MIT and the admissions people said anything further since their original press and blog releases? Does anyone have any idea of what follow through there will be? I liked holycow's points.</p>
<p>Here are some interesting letters to the editor of the MIT Tech Newspaper</p>
<p>The MIT Chancellor is not sweeping this under the rug as noted in the following excerpts from a Yahoo article cited in an earlier post:</p>
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A senior MIT official said that by claiming degrees she had never earned, Jones could no longer lead an admissions office that occasionally rescinds the acceptance letters sent to applicants who are untruthful about their own accomplishments.</p>
<p>"We have to uphold the integrity of the institution, because that's what we've been trying to sell and she's our chief spokesperson on that," MIT Chancellor Phil Clay said. It's "regrettable, ironic, sad, but that's where we are."</p>
<p>Jones was asked to resign because her actions go "against her being a model for integrity that an admissions director sets," Clay said. "It represents a very, very long deception, when there were opportunities to correct the record. This is not a mistake or an accident or an oversight."
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<p>But that shows the admission office at MIT consists of fradulant people. Since there is hole in the recruitment process as evident from long 30 years of unability to catch this lie.</p>
<p>How to ensure that all other employees at MIT actually have the degrees they claim they have.</p>
<p>This put a doubt on all the adminstration as well as the faculty. I think they should investigate wach and every person background.</p>
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But that shows the admission office at MIT consists of fradulant people. Since there is hole in the recruitment process as evident from long 30 years of unability to catch this lie.
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<p>Outside of this one incident, I have been nothing but impressed with the people over at the admissions office at MIT. Blanketed them all with the term "fradulant" (sic) is completely unjustified.</p>
<p>If one incident is sufficient to bring down the Dean then it should be sufficient to bring down the recuriting system at MIT.</p>
<p>If MIT have figured this out on its own then it is possible to have some faith in the recuritment system. But since they coudln't find it how you can be certain that their are no more such cases in the adminstration.</p>
<p>Also if the head is afraid of this then there will never be a question asked and a student or the employee will be kicked out because of the falsified records because the head was afraid that her own record will surface.</p>
<p>So how do you know that not many of the MIT alumni actually have gone to MIT because of false records and now enjoying the fruits of their degrees while some real good students are trying to falsify their records to beat those false MIT degrees.</p>
<p>I had great respect for MIT and wanted my child to apply to MIT as her first choice.
But She is disturbed by this incident and have dropped it as her early choice University.</p>
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Why the Need For Public Humiliation?</p>
<p>The Institute's abrupt and highly publicized dismissal of Marilee Jones, MIT's dean of admissions, was a disgrace. Yes, apparently 28 years ago Dean Jones made a serious mistake when she misrepresented her educational credentials. But look at her record of accomplishment while at MIT. She has won numerous awards and been recognized as a national leader in the undergraduate admissions process. Several years ago I had the pleasure of working closely with her in helping to evaluate applications to the freshman class. She was dedicated, tireless, professional, and compassionate. As far as I know, no one has ever criticized her as being unqualified. In fact, her many accolades testify to the reverse. The MIT process of harsh and sudden termination has zeroed out everything Marilee has done in a 28-year MIT career. And it has resulted in frenetic media coverage in local, national, and international news. For most "crimes," the statute of limitations is far less than 28 years. Was Jones' "crime" equivalent to a felony having no statute of limitations? Was it impossible for the MIT administration to negotiate a quiet private resignation of Dean Jones? Why the need for public humiliation? Where is the compassion that I have always attributed to the MIT family? Despite 46 years here (as student and faculty member), today I feel estranged from a community that could treat one of its own with such cruelty.</p>
<p>Richard C. Larson, Professor</p>
<p>Engineering Systems Division</p>
<p>Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering
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<p>Mass Corruption, wow! and a professor!</p>
<p>Checkout how MIT Adminstration reacting; creating a new user name to just reply to people on this thread.
This is what I recieve from this user who created the username a day after the news broke out and had not post anything but I think is only sending messages like the following
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User Name: coffeenchicory1
Join Date: 04-27-2007
PostsTotal Posts: 0 (0 posts per day)<br>
Find all posts by coffeenchicory1
Find all threads started by coffeenchicory1
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<p>"Good news </p>
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<p>I think your child should apply to Harvard or Yale or Princeton. I am sure there are no holes in that admissions office. No legacy admissions, no payoffs, no free vacations for the staff. Nahhhh none of that for HYP. Grow up. MIT is a meritocracy. Your kid probably couldnt get in with or without Marilee Jones in place! Your thinking is juvenile.</p>
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<p>It seems the MIT Adminstration is going Nuts.
Has anyone on this thread got message from this user.</p>
<p>While he was wrong to call you juvenile for your daughter's decision, which is reasonable in itself, I think it's juvenile to assume some random internet rant comes directly from MIT. </p>
<p>A story as big as this probably brings in lots of new registrations from lurkers.</p>
<p>Add me on the list too, parentofivyhope. Although I don't think he's from MIT administration. They are responsible and nice people. I have had enough communication with them and I can't imagine any one of them PMing this crap.</p>
<p>He's probably a MIT student, who just wants to assure him/her that he/she belongs to MIT.
MIT is a meritocracy.
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<p>It turns out that Ms. Jones did have a bachelor's degree in biology, from the College of Saint Rose. </p>
<p>That explains a little of how she could have "talked the talk."</p>
<p>Professor Larson's position seems to be, "I liked her. Why couldn't there have been a cover-up?"</p>
<p>Meanwhile, Duke's business school is expelling nine students for cheating, and the Air Force Academy is expelling eighteen cadets for cheating on a single exam.</p>
<p>It's comforting to read that the adminsitration at MIT understands what's at stake here, even if Prof. Larson doesn't. (See the quotes in Post #207 posted by Anhydrosis 2000.)</p>
<p>And Prof Larson has spent more than 2/3rd of his life at MIT lol</p>
<p>Even if i got into MIT, I am never gonna attend his class for sure, unless he's made to attend attends 24.02 "Moral Problems and the Good Life," by Prof. Sally Haslanger.</p>
<p>I don't think the Professors or Researchers at MIT have any issues with regard to falsifying their degrees.
The problems always lie with adminstration. Where perception is greater than reality and so you can get away with lies.</p>
<p>What I was trying to put forward is how you can rely that MIT has clean the office of adminstration by actually verifying everyones records.
You don't want such people making decisions on the admissions of your children.</p>
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"I think your child should apply to Harvard or Yale or Princeton. I am sure there are no holes in that admissions office. No legacy admissions, no payoffs, no free vacations for the staff. Nahhhh none of that for HYP. Grow up. MIT is a meritocracy. Your kid probably couldnt get in with or without Marilee Jones in place! Your thinking is juvenile."
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<p>Interesting, is the person who wrote the paragraph above (presumably from MIT admissions ?) implying that HYP adcoms are corrupt ? That wealthy families buy up places in HYP by offering free vactions or payoffs to admissions staff ? That is a very serious accusation ! Will the Marilee Jones' scandal ultimately be the catalyst to unveil a web of corruption in admission offices at America's top universities ?</p>