<p>Please can you let this poor young man rest in peace. Have you no SHAME nor even a sense of shame. What is wrong with you people?</p>
<p>When the medical examiner rules it suicide I assume it is intentional taking of one’s own life, not some accident as a consequnce of some other behavior. I assume they have definitions for this, and criteria for declaring it, based on evidence. If not, they have big problems in the Boston criminal justice system. Which they may have, I suppose.</p>
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I agree with this hmac, at least for me. I’m done.</p>
<p>Re: 242 -That is a good point, bovertine. </p>
<p>And at this point posters are talking in generalities, hmac, not about this specific student. No need to jump into a conversation just to chastize the discussants. JMO.</p>
<p>IMO, talking about suicide is important. The best way to address this tragedy is to talk about it-- not to stigmatize it with a hush hush, only talk behind closed doors approach. Again, JMO.</p>
<p>“Please can you let this poor young man rest in peace. Have you no SHAME nor even a sense of shame. What is wrong with you people?”</p>
<p>I couldn’t agree more.</p>
<p>Why are people so afraid to talk about suicide? Certainly respecting the family in any particular incident is appropriate, but getting people to talk about their fears, their feelings, their worries, etc is important. There is a thread started by a girl who is verbalizing some suicidal ideation. She has been strongly encouraged to get help on her campus. It is a sad day if people are given the message that it is not ok to talk about this and to encourage people to get the help they need.</p>
<p>Thank you hmac and parent 1986; this is a terrible tragedy for the young man and his family. May he rest in peace.</p>
<p>Fine-- if you all feel the need to shut down discussion of college students and suicide, I hope you never have to face it in your own lives.</p>
<p>He absolutely will rest in peace, now, and I hope, too, his family and friends will also find peace, eventually, as well.</p>
<p>In the meantime, the rest of us should pay attention, and particularly ANYONE who has a student at MIT should be in touch with them and should be getting their kid to talk to them about it. “Are you okay? How do you feel? Are you seeing your freinds?” etc…</p>
<p>All MIT parents should make sure their kids are okay, right now. Not in a wierd obsessive way. But, just in a way which makes the conversation available. It’s not macabre, it is the best possible way to insure there isn’t a cluster. One is awful, but two becomes dangerous. I’m sure MIT is on it, but the parents should be, too.</p>
<p>FWIW.</p>
<p>Oh! It’s a herd of zebras, not horses, charging toward you. Do that make you feel better?</p>
<p>So when the original article implied it was a suicide by linking the incident to an earlier suicide by an MIT student, certain posters jumped all over those who assumed, therefore, that the death was a suicide. How the accustions of gossip and speculation flew. Now, the press is actually reporting that after an investigation the death has been"ruled a suicide." Once again, those who assume accordingly that it was a deliberate suicide are seen as jumping to conclusions due to insufficient analysis. After all, it could have been accidental /autoerotic.</p>
<p>Hmm. That is somehow NOT gossip and speculation? Double standard maybe?</p>
<p>I agree with bovertine.</p>
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I agree! Despite the proclamations to the contrary, many of the posters in this thread are accident rubberneckers or Monday morning quarterbacks. Who really believes that the sickening dissection of this poor young man’s tragedy is really helping the discussion of how to prevent this sort of tragedy? It’s just an excuse to cybergossip!</p>
<p>Hogwash. But whatever. It is simply amazing how people react to a discussion of suicide. First people appropriately suggested to wait until the cause of death was clear, as the possibility of an underlying medical condition should be considered. But nooo, that was unacceptable. Now, when people want to discuss causes of death in young adults, its considered cyper gossip. Go ahead and hide under that rock and hope your child feels able to talk about their feelings and not feel the need to hide it, as the poster in the other thread described, for fear of the reaction of others. Poetgrl, your post is spot on.</p>
<p>You may go on kidding yourself that your multiple posts in this thread are doing anything to further the discussion of how to prevent this sort of tragedy.</p>
<p>And how exactly are your posts helping?</p>
<p>The only mistake in the face of multiple suicides is silence.</p>
<p>I don’t care what you think of me. I do care that the parents of the MIT students make sure they talk to their kids and make sure, especially given the number of freshman singles on that cmpus, that they are okay.</p>
<p>One thing Cornell did riight was just to start talking and talking and talking, not coverup, no euphamisms, very direct.</p>
<p>When my daughter was in Jr. High a young woman killed herself, and then at the high school, three kids killed themselves. These parents got together and started touring the schools and talking about suicidal thoughts, what to do, how to spot it in a friend, what to do with THAT. In our area, kids call the police when a friend says scary things; they call their friends parents. Every year, people come and talk to the kids about what to do. No secrets. No shame.</p>
<p>EXACTLY, poetgrl. How to identify and address suicidal ideation in oneself, friends etc should be talked about on all college campuses.</p>
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<p>Are you suggesting that anyone here is powerful enough to have this kind of impact? If so, please share because the ability to allow or disallow someone to rest in peace is something the world needs to know more about.</p>
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<p>Well, avoiding discussions as it were a debate about sex in the Victorian era will surely not help anyone. On the other hand, there is always a chance that someone participating in this discussion (or another) might decide to reach out to a family member or a friend to make sure he or she is doing well. Tragedies DO have a silver lining. When something positive happens to OTHERS in the aftermath of a death of a young person, it might make the death less senseless and worthless.</p>
<p>One can respect a victim and still talk about how to avoid further repetitions.</p>
<p>Xiggi.</p>
<p>“When something positive happens to OTHERS in the aftermath of a death of a young person, it might make the death less senseless and worthless.”</p>
<p>Enlighten me.</p>
<p>Xiggi.</p>
<p>The paper that was never published:</p>
<p>“The psitive effects on others in the aftermathe of a death of a young person.”</p>
<p>Let’s go.</p>