<p>I was accepted into the honors program at the University of Michigan with a 10k scholarship and into MIT without a scholarship.</p>
<p>Why should I choose University of Michigan over MIT? I wouldn't sacrifice a great education for some cash at a 2nd rate university (compared to MIT that is..)</p>
<p>I guess if you think Umich is a second rate university, you've already answered your question. Don't come. </p>
<p>U-M is different from MIT, and doesn't have all the same resources. But I don't think it's considered second-rate by anyone truly knowledgeable, even compared to MIT.</p>
<p>Honors program at UM? I thought they didnt have an honors program for engineering, just for las?</p>
<p>i agree w/hoedown. sounds like ur decision is made with:</p>
<p>Why should I choose University of Michigan over MIT? I wouldn't sacrifice a great education for some cash at a 2nd rate university (compared to MIT that is..)</p>
<p>r u trying to get someone to convince you to go to Umich?</p>
<p>There is no honor program in engineering. So if you are in the Honor program at U-M, you applied and are admitted to LSA Honor. Are you still deciding whether you want to be in engineering? If so, you have something else to think about.</p>
<p>The two schools are quite different. So it depends on what kind of college experience you want. I chose Michigan over MIT 'cause I wanted to stay in the midwest and I wanted a liberal campus...but that was for grad school in ChE where there wasn't much difference at the time.</p>
<p>Academically, MIT engineering is stronger overall. In some areas, the Michigan programs are comparable - biomedical ('cause of the strong medical center), environmental and industrial. In others like ECE and computer, MIT is clearly superior.</p>
<p>If academic is your primary criteria, MIT is a clear choice.</p>
<p>WOW There is absolutely NO WAY that Michigan could possibly be even close to the experience at MIT. </p>
<p>At MIT you receive a top-notch education from the Undergraduate engineering ranked #1 school. There is absolutely no match to this, the atmosphere around you will be of incredibly intellectual and motivated students. The mathematic geniuses here are unmatched and it's truly an incredible experience. </p>
<p>Now for UMich it is a completely overrated university. It was ranked 22nd on US news and did NOT deserve such an incredible spot. The average ACT at UMich is 25-30, incredibly laughable. </p>
<p>If you want to be surrounded by a student body that is considered "above average" rather than a student body considered to be filled of geniuses then UMich is a perfect match for you. </p>
<p>You may have gotten $10000 to study for Engineering at UMich but as you said it is NOT worth going to a 2nd rate university that teaches in a second-hand environment, why would you want a worthless education when you can experience what an education truly is at MIT. </p>
<p>While UMich is a decent university, it is PUBLIC and 65% IN STATERS that dont belong there. 11% of UMich enrolled freshman are estimated to drop out. If you drop out of UMich you are pathetic, would you want to be in a student body that doesnt match your academic caliber?</p>
<p>I'm just sick and tired of people comparing UMich engineering to a priceless education at MIT. The engineering rankings FAVOR large universities GREATLY and this is the ONLY REASON that MICHIGAN is rated so high. </p>
<p>I'm sorry to be brutally honest but this is how it is, do NOT choose Michigan unless you want to go to a school that all Standford//Mit//Caltech//Berkley REJECTS attend. </p>
<p>If you were a REJECT like everyone else in the UMich student body then maybe UMich would suit you. But you are not a reject you were successful, anyone successful would NOT choose UMICH. In MIT we called that the "reject school". </p>
<p>Hopeless students can get into University of Michigan from MICHIGAN STATE. Exactly 4% of the student body is comprised of these hopeless transfers. If this doesnt depict UMichs lack of selectivity then I dont know what does. Just glancing through this forum so many underqualified students are attending UMich and got accepted. Why would someone with such incredibly intellect enroll in a school in which the smartest student at Michigan could not match the least adequate students attending MIT?</p>
<p>When you complete your undergraduate education at Michigan engineering you will be behind and underprepared for a top graduate school. Is this what you want? Is it worth the saved tuition to have to take a graduate engineering school that is sub-par? I know UMIch graduates who went to MIT grad school and were so behind they had to drop out. UMIch is an easy ride, you only go there if you want a half-assed education and an easy 4.0 GPA</p>
<p>Quality of education is important. The teachers at MIT are amazing, inspirational, and the research is incredible. The only reason that UMIch's numbers are so high is because they are a massive, massive university. If they were a privatized university with 2000 students they would be ranked out of the top 100 and rightfully so. </p>
<p>A college is supposed to be an intellectual center, how can you be intellectually inspired by your peers when they can barely tie their shoes? These rejects were not qualified enough to obtain a high-end university and you will be surrounded by them. You are probably incredibly intelligent and motivated, this would more than lower your standards. Just being around the UMich student body will lower your IQ by at least 20 points. </p>
<p>Once again I'll end with the fact that Michigan is an OVERRATED university and does not deserve to be ranked within the top 50!!</p>
<p>I'm sorry one last comment</p>
<p>The ONLY arguement could be that Ann arbor is a better town then Boston. UMMM, NO! ALL that UMich has to offer is sports, a significant portion of the student body is comprised of JOCKS that are completely inadequate. If you want to participate in sporting events, learn to tie your shoes and the alphabet, then UMich is your ideal school and setting. People think UMich is a lot harder than it is, DONT SELL YOURSELF SHORt. REACH FOR THE STARS, NOT THE OCEAN FLOOR!</p>
<p>WOW is this what the students at UMICH are like?</p>
<p>Funkmaster you need to chill..and use spell check</p>
<p>Thanks for aiding in my decision not to attend this university Funkmaster....Definitely MIT</p>
<p>I guess you're right MITgrad...wow I didnt know UMich was that bad</p>
<p>I'm sorry about getting so infuriated, it's just that all my anger from when people compare UMich to MIT builds up inside of me. </p>
<p>UMich is an above-average institution and deserves to be accredited as a good PUBLIC university. However when you compare it to the standards of a Private university there is no way that UMich can step up to the plate. </p>
<p>I was brutally honest and just saying what I'm sure many MIT graduates///other elite school graduates were thinking. UMich is good, not great. MIT is incredible. Case closed.</p>
<p>Do you ppl realize something suspicious?</p>
<p>Seeing that I attend UofM, I wouldn't compare our engineering to MIT's (UofM has a great engineering program, but let's be realistic here). However, there are tons of other fields that this school excels in. Don't believe me? Take a look at all of the top ranked programs in business, medicine, etc. Oh, and have a look at a few links off the top of my head (not engineering links, however)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.collegejournal.com/bschool04/rankingsatglance/top50.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.collegejournal.com/bschool04/rankingsatglance/top50.html</a>
<a href="http://www.umich.edu/%7Eurecord/0405/Sept27_04/18.shtml%5B/url%5D">http://www.umich.edu/~urecord/0405/Sept27_04/18.shtml</a></p>
<p>.... Yeah, I bet you can guess what I plan on studying....</p>
<p>The bashing of an excellent institution by the HIGHLY uninformed masses has got to stop.</p>
<p>I should not have to defend this school against anyone or anything, but apparently the education here is worthless and we have absolutely ZERO distinguished alumni nor anything of academic importance here. Yeah, ok.</p>
<p>And to the original thread starter: this school has plenty of your "type" here, as does MIT even more so. You won't stand out at either institution. If you do not choose to attend Michigan, someone of equal or greater intelligence will fill your spot.</p>
<p>Ok back to the original topic...it depends on the type of engineering-some of the programs are quite comparable, you just have to see which place suits you best. (i.e. IOE and Biomed) There are many very intelligent people at Michigan as well as MIT (duh, lol), but you should visit both places and see which program you like better. Also, Michigan graduate engineering is consistently ranked in the top ten. Overall no school can compare with MIT in engineering and applied sciences (except maybe cal tech or stanford), but you will receive a first rate education (even if you consider it a second rate institution, which it isn't), from Michigan. Beware though that at either school, you will feel an intense workload in a competitive environment. BELIEVE ME there are no easy 4.0s at Michigan (at least in LSA and Engineering)</p>
<p>Collegeconfused, there is not substitute for MIT in the Engineering world. If you want a well-rounded education and a great collegiate experience, go for Michigan, get a great education and save $80,000 along the way. But if you want the absolute best in Engineering education, and money is not an issue and you do not care about your overall college experience, MIT is the clear choice. But you are wrong is referring to Michigan as a "second rate" university. Michigan is one of the nation's top 10-15 universities and Michigan Engineering is one of the top 5 or 6 programs in the nation. </p>
<p>MITgrad, your posts are complete excrement. The only reason I do not have them scrapped is because I personally believe in the freedom of expression.</p>
<p>The fact that Collegeconfused claims to have gotten into the Honors program at Michigan Engineering proves he made this whole thing up.</p>
<p>yeah! that's what I was trying to prove ;)</p>
<p>and one more thing : MITgrad has all four posts in this thread</p>
<p>Clearly, there are many suspecious charaters. MITgrad has only posted 4 times on CC. All four where in the Michigan forum...all four were bashing Michigan inexpicably. CollegeConfused has only posted twice, and he somehow only posted in the Michigan forum...not on the MIT forum. Why would a person just ask one side and not the other? As for funkmasterlloyd, well, he is an entirely different story! LOL</p>
<p>haha, I fell for the trick too. I got Collegeconfused mixed up with someone else who posted on one of those chance threads before.</p>
<p>boysmom and lildude_ravi, thanks for tipping us off.</p>
<p>To whoever it is...If you were a student in Michigan, you wouldn't have to resort to this kind of sad jokes for fun.</p>
<p>Even if these are troll posts, here they sit for all to see. They're worth addressing</p>
<p>MITGrad knows a lot about enthusiasm one's alma mater, and about using hisrtionic language like "worthless," "priceless," "pathetic," "rejects" and "hopeless." However, his knowledge of higher education and his judgment on some rather important matter leaves much to be desired. I'm glad most people seem to take his post with a huge grain of salt.</p>
<p>No rational person would argue with him about MIT being an outstanding university. It is. </p>
<p>The basis on which he bashes Michigan are unclear but what he reveals is bizarre. An ACT average of 28 is hardly "laughable" seeing as it would place a student in the 93% percentile nationally. Test scores are only part of why Michigan gets the ranking he disagrees with. I can't imagine what he makes of the ranking of the engineering school (which has an even higher ACT average), but I don't think that matters given who we are dealing with. </p>
<p>The idea that in-state students "don't belong" at Michigan is beyond strange. As is the implication that all students who apply from Michigan are somehow inferior from any and all applicants from the other 49 states and numerous foreign countries. Of course Michigan's public status means it has some constraints on selectivity. This is not news. It still recruits a decent class.</p>
<p>As for the 11% "drop out" figure I don't know where that comes from. It's not a freshman year retention figure, nor does it match with annual reports of Michigan's overall graduation rate. Doesn't compute. At any rate, some students do leave Michigan. Not all in academic difficulty. Some transfer to a school which is a better fit. Fortunately, other institutions do not find this 'pathetic.'</p>
<p>The rest of his post is so crazy I'll leave it at that. LOL.</p>
<p>Ha, but he wasn't consistent in his argument. Everything he bashed Michigan with would apply equally to UC-Berkeley (except UCB's SAT is slightly higher at the upper end)...but he couldn't bring himself to bad-mouth UCB engineering too. Alexander, are you thinking what I'm thinking? 8^)</p>
<p>I doubt that MITgrad is actually from MIT.... If he would have been, he would not have bashed Michigan so badly..... I can't imagine that people having attended such great institutions like MIT can have that kind of attitude....</p>
<p>As far as comparison goes, there is no doubt MIT,CalTech, Stanford are best in engineering.... and Michigan would come after that.... </p>
<p>But do you people think that your success in future depends on going to MIT or Michigan? Do employers also compare MIT grad and Michigan grad (suppose both grads have 3.5+ GPA) while recruiting?</p>