<p>Atomom -- My impression of the list you mention -- just so there is full disclosure for those who are interested -- is that it reflects an ultra-, ultra- conservative bent in Catholicism. The intent of the list seems to be to weed out the schools that aren't Catholic enough -- and those include Notre Dame and all the Jesuit schools.</p>
<p>DD applied to several Jesuit schools. She found that the size of the schools and courses of study were very much to her liking. As she says...she is required to take two religion courses, but there are about a hundred ones from which to choose. She is not Catholic, but says the atmosphere of her school (Santa Clara University) is excellent regardless of your religious beliefs.</p>
<p>dbwes: Yes, the schools on the CNS list would all be very conservative. And obscure or unknown to many readers here.</p>
<p>The Cardinal Newman Society is all about Catholic practice and identitiy
at Catholic Colleges. I think the title "Genuinely Catholic" says it all.</p>
<p>If you look up the Cardinal Newman Society, or the schools on the list, the purpose of the list is apparent: to identify schools that are Catholic (orthodox-- according to the teachings of Rome) in practice as well as name.</p>
<p>Carroll College is a great little college in Helena Montana. It has a solid reputation in engineering and the sciences and is well regarded out here. Helena is a cold place in the winter but great for outdoor recreation.</p>
<p>Wyoming only has about 500,000 people and wisely only developed one 4 year University. It has avoided funding problems for the most part since it is the only game in town. There are 7 community colleges that feed into the University. Too many states have more 4 year schools that they can support and the funding suffers because of that.</p>
<p>Thanks for the info atomom. DeSales was one my son was considering, but we're Methodist. It's funny that several Jesuit universities have come up as good matches for him. I really like what I've read about the Jesuits. Maybe they would be better schools for a Methodist.</p>
<p>Carroll College...attractive brochures but know my D could never handle the cold of Montana. </p>
<p>OP look also at Loyola Marymount (Los Angeles), U of San Diego, U of Portland, a good possibility and a fun town from what I'm told, Gonzaga gets a thumbs up from a friend's son who is a senior there this year. </p>
<p>For more info check out the National Catholic College Admission Association at <a href="http://www.catholiccollegesonline.org%5B/url%5D">www.catholiccollegesonline.org</a> They have a online guide as well as a guide to order...new edition comes out this year. Best of luck</p>
<p>Three of my kids attend Franciscan University of Steubenville, definitely a very Catholic college, in their Transient Program for high school students. It is VERY Catholic, run by Franciscans TOR. There are 3 hugely attended masses every day, with confessions every afternoon, 24/7 Eucharistic Adoration in "The Port". </p>
<p>While some of the college brochures would call it "Conservative" I am not sure that's really true. My daughter's History of Ohio teacher is definitely a liberal, often discusses his divorce and his children's drug use (which I find completely shocking at this school). He is definitely an anomaly there, though. Most of the kids are indeed there because they love the Mass and are vehemently pro-life. The entire college has off on the day of the March for Life in Wash DC and they go in bus after bus after bus. My kids can't wait to go with them.</p>
<p>As far as I can tell, the only true drawback to FUS is that it is in Steubenville, Ohio, an old steel town, where the glory days are pretty much gone. But the campus is lovely and the fervor of the students is palpable. Lots of devout priests and nuns all over the place.</p>
<p>There is definitely an interesting story behind Ave Maria (on the Newman list). This is the school that was only recently founded by the chairman of Pizza Hut (or Domino's, I forget which.) Anyway, there has been quite a bit of controversy involving his control of the institution.</p>
<p>Toledo -- I am a big fan of the Jesuit schools, as well -- my daughter has applied to two! Check out the website for the Association for Jesuit Colleges and Universities.<br>
The Jesuits have a long tradition of excellent education, engagement in the world around them, and respect and care for the whole person.</p>
<p>My S attended an all-male Jesuit high school. His experience there was top-notch in academics, sports and spiritually.It's been an enriching experience for the whole family.Count me in as a big fan of Jesuit education also.</p>
<p>A very thoughtful, very Catholic (which I am not) relative graduated from Franciscan U of Steubenville recently. Loves the school, Steubenville itself, not so much. Extremely conservative from my outsider viewpoint, but just what this young person wanted in a school. Caring and tight knit campus, for the most part, though some students sound as if they were there at their parents insistence, not because they were self motivated to attend such a religious institution. Younger sibling of this graduate chose an entirely different kind of university inspite of much lobbying from the older sib - it just isn't for everyone.</p>
<p>A question for all you Catholics out there.....Are Jesuits considered more liberal than most Catholics?</p>
<p>toledo--I'd say, "yes." The Jesuits have had a long history of high educational standards, but in the last generation or so have gotten much more liberal than they used to be. That's why a lot of very conservative Catholics tend to avoid Jesuit schools. They may be good schools academically, but wouldn't seem to be very "Catholic" for those who want to follow church teaching.</p>
<p>Ave Maria was funded by the Domino's Pizza founder, Tom Monaghan.</p>
<p>Steubenville, while considered very Catholic and conservative, leans toward the "charismatic" style of liturgy, which would not appeal to some ultra conservatives, who might prefer the Latin Mass.</p>
<p>They now have Latin Mass on the Franciscan U campus and about 1/3 - 1/2 of the students attend. Beautiful.</p>
<p>There are lots of kids on the campus who smoke, and I have heard the "F" word there enough that it no longer shocks me. But they are generally a religious bunch. Politically, there seem to be huge groups supporting Sam Brownback but I would think any definite pro-life candidate would have a bunch of supporters among the student body. </p>
<p>One thing you don't see too much of there: tattoos (though there are some), piercings in tongues or nipples or eyebrows (though I have indeed seen some kids with those bolt things in their earlobes). Also, no tank tops allowed in the gym by either gender. But, girls in short shorts abound in warm weather and no one is wearing ties to class (unless they are off to a job which requires it later). Some of the "household" girls do wear the long skirt/jumper style of dress, but they are definitely in the minority; I'd guess about 5% or less of the girls adopt this style of dress. Mostly, they look and act like Catholic students at other Catholic schools (Jeans, tshirts, flipflops). But at mass - your socks will be blown off at the fervor. It's like nothing I have experienced before. Kids 15 deep in the back, the singing so loud it permeates the campus at the noon mass. Father Larry will tell you 85% of the students there attend mass every day - don't know if that's true or not.</p>
<p>fm
Glad to hear that Steubenville now offers the Latin Mass--obviously you have the up-to-date info on this school! </p>
<p>(Sorry you've heard too much of the F word there, too--maybe Fr. Larry could mention that in a homily in reference to the kind of impression students are making not only on their fellow students, but campus visitors, parents, etc. Call me old fashioned, but back in my day we didn't toss the foul language around like young people do these days--it still shocks me).</p>
<p>I attend LMU and I am a strong supporter of Jesuit education. It is solid and challenging. If being open-minded and tolerant makes it liberal..o.k. However their doctrine is sound. The ultra-consevative Catholic schools are actually a little scary and are not necessarily aligned with current Roman Catholic teachings.
Anyway, back to education...Can't beat the Jesuits for top-notch challenging and mind expanding education.
West coast schools aligned in my preference
Santa Clara
Loyola Marymount
USF
USD
Gonzaga...(have issues with their current sport policies!)</p>
<p>Another good west coast college Christian not Catholic is Pepperdine. My D goes there and loves it...biggest religious denomination...Catholic! nearest Catholic church, Our Lady of Malibu, right across the street.</p>
<p>Toledo, you asked: "A question for all you Catholics out there.....Are Jesuits considered more liberal than MOST Catholics?" (emphasis added by me.)</p>
<p>In my experience, Jesuits are not more liberal than MOST Catholics. </p>
<p>atamom wrote, referring to Jesuits schools: "They may be good schools academically, but wouldn't seem to be very "Catholic" for those who want to follow church teaching." </p>
<p>My daughter attends Saint Louis University, a Jesuit institution. In her 3 years there, I have never seen any problem with this school following Church teaching. Doctrinally, this university is in line with Rome, and to say otherwise is misguided. </p>
<p>I have no problem with those Catholic colleges and universities that might maintain a more traditionalist culture. To each their own. But please, do not imply that Jesuit schools do not follow Church teaching, because it is just not true.</p>
<p>On the east coast, St. Joseph's University and Villanova are well known Catholic schools</p>
<p>JC*: "The ultra-conservative Catholic schools are actually a little scary. . ."</p>
<p>I'd be interested to hear what you find scary about them.</p>
<p>". . .and are not necessarily aligned with current Roman Catholic teachings."</p>
<p>Please give examples of how they are "not aligned with current Roman Catholic teachings." The "ultra conservative" schools are more likely to teach what is Roman Catholic (according to Rome) than most Catholic colleges in the US. </p>
<p>Catholic "practice" (what many "Catholics" do) often does not reflect Church "teaching" (official position of the church). Also, the current opinions of a local dissenting theologian/priest/bishop should not be mistaken for official church teaching.</p>
<p>If a school conforms to "Ex Corde Ecclesiae" (released by JPII in 1990) then it is aligned with Roman Catholic teachings. If it doesn't, it's not.</p>
<p>Illinoismom: I am glad you are having a good experience with SLU. (I lived in St. Louis for years and know many grads and students there). Not all Jesuit schools are the same. I am not at all slamming Jesuit schools. I answered the question with my opinion-- saying that, while they may have high educationals standards, because of their record of dissent in the last generation, conservative Catholics do consider the modern Jesuits, in general, to be "liberal." (Don't worry, conservatives consider almost everyone "liberal" ;) ) </p>
<p>Each school can be asked individually to what degree and how it conforms to
"Ex Corde Ecclesiae."</p>
<p>In ANY religion SOME ( not all) of the very fervent and conservative tend toward not being very tolerant.</p>
<p>Just my two cents, what I have observed</p>