<p>While Harvard's, Yale's and the University of Texas' endowments are larger than Princeton's, Princeton's endowment per student far outstrips the others. With 19,000 students +/-, Harvard has about $1,000,000 per student, the closest to Princeton's $1,200,000 per student. Yale's is about $800,000; Texas' about half of that. </p>
<p>As of 2002.</p>
<p>Highest 10 in FTE endowment / FY2004
1 Rockefeller University (New York, NY) $7,192,529
2 Princeton University (Princeton, NJ) $1,492,065
3 Harvard University (Cambridge, MA) $1,225,639
4 Yale University (New Haven, CT) $1,133,431
5 Leland Stanford Junior University (Stanford, CA) $744,618
6 California Institute of Technology (Pasadena, CA) $602,217
7 Massachusetts Institute of Technology (Cambridge, MA) $580,479
8 Emory University (Atlanta, GA) $361,913
9 Washington University (St. Louis, MO) $361,067
10 Northwestern University (Evanston, IL) $276,703</p>
<p>Outliers do not negate long standing data distributions. Princeton has won this category for years. Along with the alumni giving and alumni who return for reunions categories. Guess we love our students and give to them and then our students love us when they graduate and give back.</p>
<p>Byerly posted,"Leland Stanford Junior University (Stanford, CA) $744,618"</p>
<p>Do we know who else uses the term,"Stanford Junior University"?.....alumother your hunch was probably correct. Byerly=baba.</p>
<p>I'm a big fan of LSJU.</p>
<p>I thought the official name was now "Stanford University." All the copyrights on Stanford's website use that name I haven't seen "Leland Stanford Junior University" used anywhere but the seal.</p>
<p>If Harvard's students are so superior, why do both the most recent US News and Princeton Review rankings place Harvard below both Princeton and Yale in selectivity? Though I have no argument with cross-admit data, there are those who "choose" Harvard over comparable schools simply because they didn't get into the others. Two students from my class are attending Harvard. One, who was accepted EA, was later rejected from Princeton and Yale, the other, who had applied to Yale EA, was rejected from MIT, Stanford, and Yale.</p>
<p>If Harvard's student body is soooooo much superior to Princeton's then why did Princeton just destroy Harvard in the latest Putnam? Face it, HYPSM are all equal schools with equal student bodies. As ICargirl implied, theres alot of randomness in college admissions. One of the smartest people I knew in high school (USAMO qualifier, Intel Finalist, valedictorian) was WL at Princeton and MIT and accepted at Harvard. Meanwhile, I have known kids accepted at Princeton and Harvard but rejected at Stanford while another was accepted to MIT and Yale but not Harvard. Every possible combination of this exists and I find it hard to believe that any of these schools has a student body significantly better than the other. </p>
<p>Who cares if Harvard has more "prestige"? Among ANY educated circle, Princeton, Yale, Stanford or MIT would be regarded the same as Harvard. All five of these schools are pretty different from one another and I think most students should just pick which one feels the best.</p>
<p>Here we go again,</p>
<p>Tier I harvard
Tier II Harvard wannbe : Yale Princton
Tier Three TierI/II back up Penn, Columbia Brown
Tier Tech IVYs UCB, Stanford, MIT CaL tech( these folks loose cmost non tech cross admits to IVY except CA crowd where UCB?Stanford has regional presence)
Tier Tech back UP: Cornell</p>
<p>folks give Byrly a break.</p>
<p>I see trolling again</p>
<p>It really is amusing how much people will bicker over such minute differences. Harvard is great. Princeton is great. All the rest of the colleges that turn up in these stupid "but SUCH-AND-SUCH university has more prestige than SUCH-AND-SUCH" are great as well. Who gives that a Princeton rep said most cross-admits between P and H go to H? So? That definitely does not make Princeton any less of an outstanding institution, nor does it make Harvard "better." As someone pointed out, yield does not necessarily indicate quality of education. I for one feel confident going into Princeton knowing that I'll get the better education for me than if I had applied and got in to Harvard. However, that differs for every person.</p>
<p>The day these debates end will be the Second Coming. I just know it :)</p>
<p>Most applicants who have a choice do not agree with you.</p>
<p>To a certain extent, Phil and I, not to mention about half of Princeton's class, did choose Princeton over Harvard - by applying to a binding early decision program there. I don't believe many kids choose Princeton ED becuase they feel they are too weak to get into Harvard.</p>
<p>Exactly. Had I not been accepted into Princeton ED, I would have been applying to Harvard, but it wasn't my first choice by any stretch of the imagination (nor my 2nd or even my 3rd or 4th). Besides, it's different when applicants have these types of discussions versus when people who are already in (especially in early June) do.</p>
<p>Baba: "Harvard wannabe: Yale and Princeton"? Give me a break. Both Princeton and Yale are equally fantastic institutions as Harvard with their own sense of great pride and elation amongst their students and faculty. I have never met a Princeton or Yale student who has told me he/she wishes he/she had gone to Harvard. In all honesty, I really do believe that the quality of the undergraduate education at Princeton is superior to that of Harvard's. And, amongst people in the "know," the fact that Princeton is far more oriented towards undergraduate education is, from my experience, very much accepted. In terms of grad school, on the other hand, I will gladly proclaim Harvard's majesty (with the exception of physics and mathematics). My sister just finished her first year at Harvard. She told me she wishes she had accepted her Yale admission offer. In her words: "I thought Harvard would fuel their undergraduate programs. Instead, they couldn't give a crap about us. We are simply a dispensible number to them. For every one of us, they have 10 who would gladly take our place." </p>
<p>Also, just for your humor, aside from this conversation:
When my sister introduced herself to an Oxford student through the internet, upon proclaiming she was a Harvard student, the Oxford male said: "Great college. Except that when Harvard was nothing but a farm in the middle of a savage forest in unchartered territory, Oxford was already a world-class university." lol... Gotta love them Brits.</p>
<p>Oh and my family is tied to and loves both institutions. Thus:</p>
<p>GO PRINCETON! GO HARVARD!</p>
<p>Very interesting article Byerly. I completely agree with the Princeton professor on this; as much as we can debate the quality of top US university, there is no doubt that Harvard is the top brand. </p>
<p>Harvard's brand significantly exceeds that of any educational instituion and, as much as we try to rationalise or find reason, it is a fact that needs to be accepted. </p>
<p>Regarding, the baba=byerly conspiracy theory, I think baba's last post has added more credibility to it.</p>
<p>If according to Byerly we should accept the word of Princeton employee (and Harvard alum) Katz, then we must accept the words of former Harvard employee (and Princeton alum) Cornel West, who appears to be doing quite well at the school he chose over Harvard
See:
<a href="http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S11/78/29G11/index.xml?section=announcements%5B/url%5D">http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S11/78/29G11/index.xml?section=announcements</a></p>
<p>Baba/Byerly - There are many departments in which Harvard just sucks.</p>
<p>For example: Engineering.</p>
<p>and there are many departments in which Harvard just excels.</p>
<p>For example: Interpretation of zulu dancing with the beats of rock and roll, or the mating behaviors of Penguines when up-rooted from South Pole.</p>
<p>Harvard as a brand is # 1, but its value is not all across the academic spectrum. Face it & live with it.</p>
<p>You try too hard in order to make your point: Harvard 's engineering program does not "suck", as you say - it is just quite small, relatively, with a limited curriculum. Its USNews ranking (which isn't bad, actually) is more a function of the breadth of the curriculm - or the lack of it. </p>
<p>Harvard's engineering students are among the strongest, going by test scores, and its faculty is among the most eminent, going by Academy membership; its admit rate is low and its yield rate is high. It has been viewed as a "boutique" in a sense, because of its small size.</p>
<p>However, as you may not be aware, Harvard has plans set in motion to spend $$$ billions on a new engineering campus in Allston, at which the enrollment will quadruple - equalling Cornell as the Ivies' largest.</p>
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yeahhh right....lets discuss it when it happens...</p>
<p>congrats on ur 2000th post. I doubt that ne other alumni/graduate would have as many posts.</p>