More students with severe mental health problems appear to be at colleges

<p>I read an article in the WSJ this morning about mental health issues and it claimed that about 6.7% of the population experiences depression (I assume clinical) each year.</p>

<p>I think that the concerns here are with those that are suicidal, that could hurt others or that are going through psychotic episodes while at school. The main categories of people that go through these are those with depression, bipolar disorder and schizophrenia. I’m not aware of autism/aspbergers causing these kinds of problems.</p>

<p>Parents are justifiably concerned with the safety of their children given the campus shootings of the last couple of years and the relation to the major mental health disorders. I do not recall any incidents of campus shootings due to autism or aspbergers. </p>

<p>The secondary issue is how the students deal with a problem that turns up suddenly and how well universities are able to cope with such problems.</p>

<p>The kid at Virginia Tech had <em>untreated</em> Asperger’s (and other issues, very probably comorbidities of autism). Autism can have many, many comorbidities along those lines. Including bipolar/schiz/anxiety/ODD/ADD/ADHD/depression…I could go on.</p>

<p>I think you need to look at who has been getting the services and treatment and who hasn’t, instead of lumping mental issues all in one big pile. The ones that aren’t getting the treatment are the ones colleges should have to think hard about. BUT - These students are now AFRAID to apply to college, because of being lumped in with Mr. Cho of VA Tech - so they don’t disclose. Parents don’t want them to disclose (look on the LD board and you will see), they are afraid of being discriminated against.</p>

<p>Believe me, the problems don’t turn up “suddenly” - there were signs there all along for Mr. Cho, and the schools all along ignored it. I am not sure how well any school copes when their heads are in the sand.</p>

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<p>Yes they do.</p>

<p>Heavy levels of stress or hormonal problems can result in psychosis, even without a genetic predisposition. Examples are PTSD and Post-Partum Psychosis.</p>

<p>“The mean age at onset for a first Manic Episode is in the early 20s, but some cases start in adolescence and others start after age 50 years. Manic Episodes typically begin suddently, with a rapid escalation of symptoms over a few days”</p>

<p>DSM-IV-TR, page 360</p>

<p>“The median age at onset for the first psychotic episode of Schizophrenia is in the early to mid-20s for men and in the late 20s for women. The onset may be abrupt or insidious, but the majority of individuals display some type of prodromal phase manifested by the slow and gradual development of a variety of signs and symptoms …”</p>

<p>DSM-IV-TR, page 308</p>

<p>Symptoms of a Major Depressive Episode usually develop over days to weeks.</p>

<p>DSM-IV-TR, page 354</p>

<p>A Hypomanic Episode typically begins suddenly, with a rapid escalation of symptoms within a day or two.</p>

<p>DSM-IV-TR, page 367</p>

<p>PTSD, I’ll grant you. But somehow, though, I don’t think Post-Partum Depression is something that a lot of college kids who live in dorms have to deal with. Unless they’re family apartments? And then, they wouldn’t be your kid’s roommate. </p>

<p>Look, the real truth is that thousands of students are not getting services in K-12 that ought to be; many are not even diagnosed, many parents are ignorant, and many parents are afraid of labeling their kids for discrimination reasons. The DSM definition of autism and spectrum disorders is being rewritten, it only defines category and does not get into what it needs to for each issue. And they are not necessarily <em>genetic</em> - many disorders can be environmentally caused, just like many cancers are.</p>

<p>I know someone who was very obviously on the spectrum all through life, and when he was about 16 he got mono. Schizophrenia showed up “suddenly” - because of…mono? No, he showed signs of OTHER things that showed as early as 2 years old, which may have been the basics of the schizophrenia. The parents did not want to label him early on and the child is now dead. </p>

<p>There are TONS of children in “pain” - because they are not getting what they need - How many kids do we see every year Cutting? Or on drugs? Hard stuff, not just weed - that wasn’t the case when I was younger. ALL Doctors, teachers, parents and psychs - we ALL have to be taught how to recognize early symptoms, and people have to DEAL with this stuff from the get go. If you don’t want to, then you can’t complain about what your child may or may not have to deal with when he/she goes to college. Or when they get on the subway to go to work. Or when they go to the grocery store…</p>

<p>nclb lows, you are reading something that simply isn’t here. No one is saying that a person who is functional through treatment should be denied a college education. Not one person. Frankly “making someone a productive member of society” was the entire driving force behind the K-12 mainstreaming and accomodations. Colleges and universities are a priviledge. The concern that is being discussed here is with kids who become disfunctional in the residential college settings. Kids who are not functional enough to understand that they must not stop taking their medications, etc. Students that may be perhaps emotionally fragile which was hidden because of the inclusive nature and structure of the K-12 setting. Is there an impact of these students on the community and what does not mean to the impacted individuals. Being discussed is whether that “number” is a rising number of whether it is simply a representation of a bigger collegiate population in general. Whether or not disabilities and illnesses are “lumped” together is not relevant to what is being discussed except in the context of what colleges can be expected to provide or not provide based on history and what the future may hold. From your comment regarding the college having their heads in the sand, I’m not sure that I agree that is where the responsibility lies. Clearly you must think the colleges should be staffed and prepared if I am understanding your line of thought. If so, why do you think so when college is a priviledge not a right?</p>

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<p>Do you have an official source for this? I did a quick check for news stories and all I can
find is that a foreign relative that hadn’t seen him for a long time claimed this. I thought
that the records were sealed and that detailed diagnostic and treatment information
wasn’t made available to the public. I have looked at this case in a few years so maybe
his medical records were made public. I would like to see a definitive source as opposed
to hearsay.</p>

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<p>I had a look at the DSM-IV-TR for Aspbergers and Autism. In the Aspbergers section, there was a reference to a schizo-class disorder (don’t remember the exact name) but it appears to me to have been put there to distinguish between child-onset schizo* and Aspbergers. I did not see anything on comorbidity.</p>

<p>In the section on Autism, there was a small section that said that Autism with hallucinations or delusions was an indicator of schizo*. This just implies that they can coexist. </p>

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<p>I usually talk about the main issues of bipolar, depression and schizophrenia
breaking things out where they diverge if it is helpful to the conversation.
I think that my discrete descriptions earlier testify to that.</p>

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<p>Learning disabled stuff? I don’t recall seeing questions on that in college applications
that I’ve seen the last few years but perhaps the questioning varies from school to
school.</p>

<p>Being discriminated against is just a fact of life and it shows up in multiple contexts
WRT college.</p>

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<p>That’s a sample size of one, AKA anecdotal evidence.</p>

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<p>That’s clearly a problem with the school district. Autistic children in our district can cost
up to $150K each to educate if they have to be sent to expensive private schools. It can
add up to a very expensive line item if your district is known as good for autistic children. I’m sure that there are strong budgetary reasons to try to deny services across a spectrum of children.</p>

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<p>I work with a local school board member and the spouse of another school board member. I also work with a town council member. These board members always have a variety of pressures upon them including budgetary pressure. I’d suggest running for your local school board to see why people “stick their head in the sand.”</p>

<p>nclblows, below is a link that will explain to you the facts regarding Cho. He had been treated for his mental health issues. Due to confidentiality laws, this info was not passed on to VTech when he applied and enrolled.</p>

<p><a href=“Virgina Tech Reviews for Diamond Rings -”>Virgina Tech Reviews for Diamond Rings -;

<p>Thinking back 30 years, as a college student I couldn’t grasp mental illness. I had one friend who was everywhere and then nowhere, with frequent fluctuations. While I can now say, “oh yeah, she was bipolar” all I knew then was a hope and a trust that the real adults (professors and a campus priest) had her on their radar screens. I knew something was wrong, but I didn’t know what. Deep inside I always knew that something would happen. She committed suicide about 10 years after graduation. </p>

<p>Perhaps today’s dorm residents are more “situationally aware” than I was then, but I fear that they may be as clueless as I was in that regard. She was a friend, but not a roommate. And, I hoped that others knew how to take care of her.</p>

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<p>These are physiological examples that you can have a sudden onset unrelated to genetic factors. There’s even the psychosis NOS diagnosis where no cause is determined.</p>

<p>At any rate, I provided enough examples where major mental disorder problems can come about suddenly.</p>

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<p>I don’t think that this is an issue in this thread. There are a lot of problems in K-12
and there are a lot of complex issues in K-12 in general. Many of our city school
districts are basket-cases for a wide variety of reasons. But we’re talking about
kids presenting in college.</p>

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<p>I only have the DSM and an intro psych book at home and the psych book is pretty bad. I had a look on CQ Researcher and the very long article had nothing on comorbidity. I did find an interesting article on comorbidity and a method to determine comorbidity called ACI-PL. Perhaps that is what you are talking about. If not, then perhaps you could cite
an appropriate journal article or other peer-reviewed literature about the upcoming changes
that you refer to.</p>

<p>The article that I found was in the Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders, December 2006: Comorbid Psychiatric Disorders in Children with Autism: Interview Development and Rates of Disorders.</p>

<p>In their interviews, they found that ten percent had at least one episode of major depression meeting DSM-IV though this isn’t comparable to the WSJ number which reported the percentage that had an episode in the previous year. The ten percent number is higher than the 6.7% general population number though they are measuring slightly different things. The report said that there were no incidences of schizophrenia, and that less than two percent met the criteria for bipolar or manic disorder. Issues with other psychiatric disorders may have been higher but I generally concentrate on depression/bipolar/schizophrenia as these can have a huge impact on college performance.</p>

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<p>I made no claim that these orders were purely genetic. Most do have a strong genetic component. In the case of schizophrenia, other risk factors are growing up in the city and harsh parenting styles. A major risk factor is maternal prenatal influenza discovered with some of the triggering mechanisms only discovered only about two years ago.</p>

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<p>Schizophrenia is pretty complex as research has shown and there can be triggering
mechanisms along the way. There’s a huge amount of brain development in the mid to
late teens and it may be that this process is thrown off kilter due to things that happened
much earlier. That said, the DSM does say that many of these major disorders can be
sudden onset.</p>

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<p>I cannot see things getting better in a society where you have complete freedom
without responsibility in the context of a long-term economic decline.</p>

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<p>I think that the production of kids is more about immediate physical or emotional
needs and it’s clear that we have a large number of adults that really don’t care
that much about parenting. If people understood all of the risks and responsibilities
of parenting, then we’d have fewer kids.</p>

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<p>We can’t even convince drivers not to send text messages while they drive.</p>

<p>Look at our national STD rates. If STD risk is ignored, which can cause serious
near-term problems, what are the odds that people care about long-term risks?</p>

<p>That was quite a read.</p>

<p>Thanks for posting the link.</p>

<p>Aspbergers wasn’t mentioned at all and the school district ruled out Autism.</p>

<p>It appears to me that the school district bent over backwards to provide services. It also appears to me that the parents put in a tremendous amount of effort to help their son while he was in school and continued to provide remote support while he was in college but they didn’t pick up on his problems despite visiting him at school every few weeks and talking to him on the phone weekly.</p>

<p>Basically the only people that could have sensed the problem were his roommates, classmates, RAs and professors. They did know that there were problems but it is the problem where many parties see parts of the problem but don’t know what to do about it or if there is anything that they can do about it. I didn’t go through the recommendations but I assume that they patch some of the holes in the system. I don’t think that colleges can truly be in loco parentis. Perhaps they can approach a system with some education about taking care of your roommates and classmates but, as has been mentioned, normal student already have a lot on their plates.</p>

<p>We’ve dealt with bipolar disorder in our extended family, and I’ve learned a lot over the years:

  • The law doesn’t allow anyone to force a mentally ill adult to take their medications except is exceedingly narrow circumstances, such as when someone who isn’t competent to stand trial could be made competent through the use of psych meds, at which point a court can order the administration of the meds. So you see your bipolar family member going maniac, and at the point where they most desperately need the drugs they are adamantly unwilling to take them.
  • Courts won’t grant guardianships over mentally ill adults unless they’re completely gaga. Doesn’t matter if they have narrow corridors in which to walk because of hoarding junk in their homes, if they’ve blown through tens of thousands of dollars in a month, or if they’ve been hospitalized twice in a month for mental illness. Social Services doesn’t consider that to meet the standard of ‘immediate danger to themself or others’.
  • Psychiatric code of ethics don’t allow a psychiatrist to discuss the patient’s condition with family members without explicit permission of the patient; something which a mentally ill person may well refuse. </p>

<p>Our family member committed suicide despite the enormous efforts of many, many people. If my child ended up with a severely mentally ill roommate, I’d do whatever it might take to encourage a different housing arrangement. My student isn’t a psych nurse or social worker, and should not have to bear the burden and chaos of living with a mentally ill roommate whose disease is not under good control. </p>

<p>YMMV.</p>

<p>Some psychiatric disorders certainly do “come on suddenly.” Bipolar 1 is usually sudden onset in late teens/early twenties, for instance.</p>

<p>One point to make here is that many of the conditions being discussed as problematic on campus, are not “emotional disturbance” but physiological, brain-based disorders, often genetic. Insurance companies now recognize this fact in granting “parity” in coverage, similar to coverage for any other medical problem.</p>

<p>This may help explain the sudden onset: it isn’t as if everyone with a psychiatric disorder has been emotionally disturbed for years, and often the parents are more than exemplary. It is true that the privacy laws can tie the hands of both schools and parents, but the tragic outcomes described by some on this forum are not typical.</p>

<p>Our experience with two colleges has been that the colleges are quite strict about how they interpret a situation with a kid with psychiatric issues who is “disturbing” to others, or dangerous to themselves. In one college, several of the freshman dorm’s inhabitants were forced to go home for one of these two reasons, or both. This included a girl with an eating disorder, an attempted suicide, an apparent schizophrenic (brilliant in sciences), depression, and others. The system worked very well, and there was also ample provision for the student’s return, after a period of 1-2 semesters of stability off campus.</p>

<p>The other thing to mention here is that any parent dealing with a kid, or any student him or herself, with a psychiatric disorder should work with the college disabilities office. That student is entitled to a single room, for one thing, so impact on a roommate would not be an issue. There are often other services and accommodations available if the student and family work with the college. This is not special treatment: this is simply identifying what will help the student succeed, in the way that others without this disability have the opportunity to succeed. If there is a sudden onset, then a single room can be requested mid-semester if remaining on campus is a realistic optioin.</p>

<p>Any college student reading this should also be aware that they can be extremely helpful to a friend or acquaintance who may be going “off.” by telling an adult who can address it. This is not snitching or getting someone in trouble. It may be saving a life. The adult who is consulted can look into the matter, and if there really is no reason to worry, no harm is done, as long as the school handles it sensitively and with attention to the student’s rights.</p>

<p>Some of the language and attitudes on this forum are a little troubling. Many esteemed people have had bipolar disorder, for one (Lincoln, Churchill, countless artists, writers, composers etc.). Colleges need these gifted people, and it is an important part of diversity.</p>

<p>It is also important to know that there are quite a few young adults who can, in fact, go off their meds at some point. There are instance in which meds stabilize a crisis, and sort of heal the brain’s pathways, and, with extremely careful attention to lifestyle and stress management, through therapy, can achieve a good life without meds for the most part. This is not a good idea for a student to try mid-semester, or without the approval of an MD, of course, but just to let people here know that kids with bipolar disorder and other illnesses are not always condemned to a lifetime of meds and disability.</p>

<p>The meds have some extreme side effects and are not very comfortable to be on. I think we should all reflect on the difficulties of choosing between a mood disorder, for instance, and being on a med that may cause tremors, bleeding problems, mental fogginess, sleepiness, extreme weight gain, and even fatal reactions.I have family members who have suffered through bipolar illness and epilepsy, so I know this from first hand. </p>

<p>I also have many family members, including my own kids, who embrace fellow students with problems, watch out for them, and, in turn, receive lots of support in return for the stresses of college life. </p>

<p>My kids grew up going to a public school which was very inclusive. They had a child with Down’s, a child with cerebral palsy, a child with diabetes on an insulin pump, and child with an adie for behavioral problems, in their classes, for example. It seems that the new culture of inclusion, which began with the Americans with Disabilities Act, has not percolated down to everyone, just judging from some of these posts. Fear of those who are different can, I hope, be replaced with understanding and connection.</p>

<p>Sorry for the soapbox, but I think the changes that have happened over the last 20 years are good ones, and I hope they continue. Your child, who some may term “normal” (and what exactly is that anyway?) can probably handle a whole lot more than you think, and if things become uncomfortable, your child is perfectly capable of addressing it with the college, and getting a response. In the meantime, roommates and dormmates can learn all kinds of things from one another, and this is just another area for that learning.</p>

<p>@BCEagle, if you are only looking at an old textbook and the DSM, you need to get with the program. The majority of info on autistic spectrum disorders is in studies, not books. Advocates for spectrum disorders have been trying for two decades to get TPTB to change the DSM-IV, and there is a new definition coming up in the DSM-V but autism advocacy groups think it’s not quite enough. I am hoping the new def will be easier used for enabling purposes, not to save school districts money.</p>

<p>Oh, and Asperger’s is ON the autistic spectrum. Asperger’s IS autism, it is the higher functioning end. Think of the spectrum as a rainbow, with Aspies at one end, and Rain Man (and lower) at the other. Different comorbidities can come or go with the various levels of the disorder. </p>

<p>That whole document is a CYA document for VT. I’m not surprised autism was ruled out way back when - it’s obvious to this parent that the people who saw Cho way back when didn’t know anything then, either. BTDT. You wouldn’t understand unless you’ve been there, kinda like childbirth. Parents hardly got diagnoses for their kids before 2000 - My son wasn’t Dx’ed until he was 10, when he was in 5th grade. That was at CHOP, and <em>they weren’t even totally sure. Nowadays they would be, because they know more. But regular family doctors were and still are clueless for the most part. The Head of Developmental Pediatrics at DuPont Children’s Hospital (the BIG DuPont) gave my son an original Dx of “encephalopathy” - translated: brain problem. Well, No *</em>**, Sherlock.</p>

<p>School districts were and are even worse - and they tend NOT to Dx autism because it costs them money. My son got NO services until he was Dxed, didn’t matter if he showed all the signs, or had specific learning issues. NO services. He is lucky that I am a teacher AND a biotch. Many parents of disabled kids are too burned out to fight for their kids. Me, I feed off it. Lucky school. ;)</p>

<p>Cho was also one of those late 1980s/early 1990s babies - the ones who had the doubled mercury in the vaccines. And I am reading that article, and seeing AUTISM all over it. Friendless. Communication issues (of course, ESOL doesn’t help that). Bullied. He WOULDN’T talk. “Selective mutism” is a COMORBIDITY - duh! BTW, just because he HAD an IEP doesn’t mean it was appropriate. We had plenty of that sort. I’d have to have seen it and also known the kid to make a judgment as to whether he was getting APPROPRIATE services or not. There’s a difference. </p>

<p>Students who are not getting services tend to act out WHERE they are not getting services. Not at home. They generally don’t hate it there. And when they hate school… Kids who are forced underground because of labels their parents don’t want them to have end up in all kids of bad situations. Parents know how society perceives their children with a label. Affluent areas are the worst. And where the money is, the drugs flow. You’d think that with privilege goes responsibility. ROFL Better to force those kids to leave than deal with them, right?</p>

<p>When a college accepts any student, they are accepting the WHOLE student because they WANT to. They are also accepting an ADULT. Privilege or not, it doesn’t matter, and believe me, no one is saying we want the colleges to be in loco parentis. I wouldn’t want some educational facility to determine jack about my son’s welfare. Not when they keep druggies in the dorms. But where would you draw the line at what disabilities they should take and not take? Every child is different. If you’ve seen one person with autism or a mental disorder, you’ve seen one person with autism or a mental disorder.</p>

<p>However, in essence, by you placing your child in a place of privilege, that means you will have the privilege to live with it, or change your/your child’s situation if you don’t like it. An 18 year old is an adult, no one can force YOU to take YOUR meds, either, ya know? Life Happens. And if all these things are “sudden” - well, then, you can’t complain! Who knew?! Yeah, right. What, are you not going to go to the grocery store or the mall, or work someplace, because you might have to be around the mentally ill? They’re There, you know…Booga booga booga…</p>

<p>Forcing kids and parents to put their disabilities in the closet for fear of discrimination does NOT help YOUR kids, nor does it solve the problem. STOP the discrimination. You who discriminate are CAUSING the problem, driving them underground. Making their personal situations worse. Try the idea of enabling them, for once. </p>

<p>And DUH, of COURSE change your child’s roommate if they are in with someone they are not comfortable with, mentally ill or not! That’s just common sense! Besides, if YOU are paying for the education, YOU have some say. Withholding the checkbook speaks volumes. I would have my son change roommates in a heartbeat it if he roomed with someone who drank, did drugs or smoked cigarettes. THOSE kids should be dealt with, but never are. Drugs are illegal, and kids are caught all the time and never prosecuted. Those “students” are wasting college resources, taking up space that my son would value 10000 times more. He will be there to LEARN, not to get drunk or wasted, and be a much better representative for the college than some future wife-beater.</p>

<p>But then, he is autistic. So he is not quite perfect enough for privilege, right? Gotta be sane enough to drink and party. @@</p>

<p>Google is a wonderful resource, when you spell Asperger’s correctly. So is the ASA. So is OASIS. (Autism Speaks, OTOH, is a bunch of corporate crapola.) Read there. Put away (or burn) your DSM-IV, it’s going to be obsolete soon, anyway.</p>

<p>@Compmom: You make an Excellent point about what the meds to do children. We are SO lucky that we do not need much, just for attention, and luckily it has not had side effects. That we can see now, anyway.</p>

<p>Then again, don’t they even say that Ritalin can cause suicidal tendencies? And how many “normal” kids are on that?</p>

<p>Compmom: I also have many family members, including my own kids, who embrace fellow students with problems, watch out for them, and, in turn, receive lots of support in return for the stresses of college life. (Sorry, I don’t know how to do the quote thingy, although I do know code and this wont’ let me.)</p>

<p>Kids like yours are the ones that kids like my son hope for in school. The kids in his grade don’t talk to him because they think he’s “weird.” Yeah, well, says a lot for them. However, when he first went into marching band, some of the upperclassmen boys took him under their wing, and made him their friend. Not the other “normal” freshmen, mind you. :wink: Now he is doing the same thing with the freshmen. He is the kind upperclassman, and setting the better example.</p>

<p>It takes a village.</p>

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<p>I do not have any particular interests in Autism or Aspbergers but
simply used the available materials in my house for background. I
generally count the cost of research in any discussion as my time
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<p>Then post citations from studies. The tone of your posts give the
impression that you think that you are an expert but you have no
pedigree in this forum. Therefore materials from textbooks, peer-
reviewed literature should be used to make your case.</p>

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<p>They are in different sections in the DSM-IV and that’s the main
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<p>I didn’t see it as exhonerating Virginia Tech. The portrayal was that
the parents did what they could at great personal expense and that the
school worked quite hard in accomadating his problems. The document
talked about the systemic problems at the college level and the legal
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<p>Please don’t tell me what I wouldn’t understand.</p>

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<p>You claimed that Cho was either Autistic or had Aspbergers in a
previous post. I asked for a citation or reference. You never
provided one. I can only assume that you’re blowing smoke here.</p>

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<p>This comes off as a cliched rant. I did run across research on the
mercury issue. The research that I’ve seen clears vaccinations.</p>

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<p>The general approach is to look at whether someone is disturbing
others, is a danger to themselves or they are not performing
adequately. The latter is often the warning sign to parents that there
is a problem. It may be that academic performance is a rough proxy for
removal and it may be an effective proxy for the vast majority of cases.</p>

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<p>From what I’ve read, a judge can force medication on a patient.</p>

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<p>Discrimination is a fact of life. It’s probably best dealt with headon.</p>

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<p>I think that enforcement of drug and alcohol laws and rules is tighter
in state institutions. I’ve seen the police records for my son’s
school and it shows the charges and scheduled court dates. This stuff
is on the internet so it’s public and students have that hanging
around them for the rest of their lives.</p>

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<p>If you want to make a point or an argument, rants are frequently
ineffective. You’ve gone on and on and on but haven’t posted one
single citation. That’s a good starting point.</p>

<p>I’m not here to do your research for you. If you’re too lazy to look stuff up on the internet, then don’t shoot your mouth off about what you do or don’t know.</p>

<p>As for your “sources” please remember that the government and the drug companies would be in for one hell of a lawsuit if “studies” hadn’t found vaccines “not guilty.”</p>

<p>You don’t live this. I do. That’s my source. Your discrimination is just unbelievable. I cannot imagine that you are a parent.</p>

<p>Oh, but here’s a link to the DSM-V Neurodevelopmental Report. [Report</a> of the DSM-V Neurodevelopmental Disorders Work Group](<a href=“http://www.psych.org/MainMenu/Research/DSMIV/DSMV/DSMRevisionActivities/DSM-V-Work-Group-Reports/Neurodevelopmental-Disorders-Work-Group-Report.aspx]Report”>http://www.psych.org/MainMenu/Research/DSMIV/DSMV/DSMRevisionActivities/DSM-V-Work-Group-Reports/Neurodevelopmental-Disorders-Work-Group-Report.aspx)</p>

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<p>That’s a joke, right? I TAUGHT at one of those schools. ROFL You are seeing 1-1000th of the students who are “reprimanded”…ROFL…</p>

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<p>You are attempting to persuade others but you don’t have an
authoritive basis for doing so. One often does that with citations.</p>

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<p>I’ve put in the effort to look at research databases and gather information
from books. Many professors complain that their students try to do all of
their research on the internet and that students don’t use libraries, books
and journals anymore.</p>

<p>It’s pretty clear that I’m not lazy as the lazy route would be to look
things up on the internet. Of course there are very good reasons why
internet sources aren’t permitted for research papers. I would think
that a school teacher would know this as it’s taught in English 101.</p>

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<p>Conspiracy theories.</p>

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<p>You are trying to make a case for something with rants and raves.</p>

<p>I’m trying to have a rational discussion.</p>

<p>You can believe whatever you want to. This is just an internet forum.
It wouldn’t matter whether I’m a parent or not. Arguments in that vein
are ad hominem.</p>

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<p>I see some regrouping and clarification of symptoms. I didn’t see
anything on comorbidity. It also seems that they had a fair amount
of work to do to produce the upcoming changes.</p>

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<p>What I see is that this school is enforcing the law as they are
required to by the state legislature. Obviously students can go
off-campus to do their thing and there isn’t much that universities
can do about this. Basically those students dumb enough to do their
things in the dorms or in university campus buildings will be charged
if they are caught. That’s about all that law enforcement can do.</p>

<p>As with onset of severe psychological problems, drinking, drug use
or videogame addiction usually result in academic performance problems
resulting either in treatment, changed behaviors or dismissal.</p>

<p>nclblows, you strike me as extremely defensive and unreasonable. Nobody here was ever advocating any type of discrimination for people with disabilities. The question that began the debate, I think, was about who takes responsibility when an adult student shows troubling behavior at school that may affect his classmates. We’re not talking about simply annoying behavior or making somebody uncomfortable. We’re talking about disturbing behavior that interferes persistently with the functioning of other students, or is just extremely worrying to them. This could happen when a kid goes off his meds on his own, (or hasn’t yet been diagnosed properly). And it could also happen if a kid is constantly drunk, stoned, or just exhibits very strange behavior.</p>

<p>I don’t see where anybody on this thread advocated barring kids with certain diagnosed conditions from college, and most everyone would agree that acceptance and tolerance of all sorts of behavior is to be encouraged. But certainly there are situations in which a kid who needs help is not getting it because nobody knows who should take charge.</p>

<p>I think that parents dealing with special needs often have reactions to some of these types of threads that are not really understood by others, but have validity viewed from the reality of dealing with these issues for years on end. So, I hope everyone here kind of goes easy on one another.</p>

<p>Just want to say, again, that most colleges do have resources readily available, not only for a student who is developing a problem, but for roommates, dormmates, and friends.</p>

<p>One thing we can all help our kids with when they set off for college, is to remind them of this, and to remind them to use these resources. They may even need help figuring the resources out before they go, when they get there, or when a problem develops.</p>

<p>I don’t believe the presence of kids with mental health issues (to go back to the original post) is really a huge problem, given the resources that are available. The tragic exceptions get all the press, while thousands and thousands of situations get worked out safely for everyone concerned.</p>