<p>As a Jew who is pro-Israel, nothing bothers me more than people using AIPAC prepared lines to go and out there and make this kind of point.</p>
<p>I hear ya. But if it’s a concern they have, I suppose it should be addressed. I certainly have concerns of mine (which I’ll put in a new thread later) I had they’ll be addressed.</p>
<p>Its not just about colleges jews who love israel should avoid. its also about knowing where the anti-israel propaganda is coming from so we can put an end to it. listen, bard college is a huge hippy school and a lot of students are really anti-israel there. but they ended up firing one of their most anti-israel profs. if it can happen on that campus we can make it happen on every campus. but first we have to know what campuses have large amounts of anti-israel student groups, profs, and activities.</p>
<p>feelsoalive-- if you want to be productive, don’t worry about singling out campuses you think spawn unjustified, anti-Israeli activity, instead, spend your time learning about their perspective, considering it, and then preparing a well-thought out response that will be instructive and revealing to people who are acting misguided.</p>
<p>If your position is truly strong and reflective of reality versus a perspective which is, in your mind, delusional, then you should have little trouble confronting issues instead of confronting places.</p>
<p>I may be a supporter of Israel, and I may have more family in Israel than in the US, but there is a lot of “anti-Israeli” activity that is quite justified and correct, just like there is a lot of anti-Israeli activity that is nonsense and totally disinterested in genuine discourse. In almost all cases, you’ll find that the place is not at fault for the latter occurring instead of the former, instead, it’s a few misguided people.</p>
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<p>all of that land was palestinian until a few decades ago.</p>
<p>the best solution is a single secular state, what does that make me?</p>
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<p>seriously, you’re not helping israel, just hurting freedom of speech</p>
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<p>a state with race-based immigration policies cannot and should not exist in a modern world. that said, israel is currently the best place in the middle east for secular arabs to live.</p>
<p>“that said, israel is currently the best place in the middle east for secular arabs to live.”</p>
<p>I am not sure I agree with that statement. I would think Beirut is more libeable for a secular Arab, but I may be biased.</p>
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<p>This is a good example of a counter-productive exchange.</p>
<p>The first statement is amoral. It ignores the natural rights and needs of people whose families did, whatever their legal status, occupy the land prior to the founding of the modern state of Israel.</p>
<p>The second statement is ahistorical. (At the risk of oversimplifying …) In the late Ottoman period, that land was sparsely settled by nomads, tenant farmers and shopkeepers. Probably few of them thought of themselves as “Palestinians.” Typically they leased property from absentee landlords, who later sold it to Jews, who developed the land. Living conditions improved. Populations of the native inhabitants grew. They then developed more of a unified identity as “Palestinians” with their own shared set of aspirations and grievances.</p>
<p>I think the OP would do well to follow ModestMelody’s advice. And don’t waste your time tilting at the windmills of imagined collegiate foreign policies. Try to develop an informed, principled understanding of the issues. Try to contribute to rational dialog wherever it is possible, and to prevent or avoid hysterical exchanges wherever it isn’t.</p>
<p>sorry for being unclear and rude, i’m both pro-israel (as a western-style secular democracy in the middle east) and anti-israel (as a discriminatory jewish state)</p>
<p>^^^The double standard involves declaring Israel a discriminatory state and not making the same claim on ANY of it’s neighbors.</p>
<p>most of its neighbors are discriminatory as well. as bad as many of israel’s policies are, it’s the best state in the middle east</p>
<p>Actually LogicWarrior, Lebanon does not discriminate against any of its people. Lebanon is far and away the most democratic state in the Middle East. Now if its population could only get along and allow stability to settle in!</p>
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<p>Lebanon prides itself in being a democracy, but unfortunately it looks as if the decisions about Lebanon’s government are made in Damuscus, and not in Lebanon itself. I’m sure Lebanon would love to get out from under Syria’s thumb but unfortunately for the Lebanese people that hasn’t happened yet.</p>
<p>Too many Lebanese officials have been chosen by the people and then killed in mysterious circumstances.</p>
<p>I agree cuse, it is very unfortunate. But like I said, it is the most democratic society in the Middle East.</p>
<p>It’s a shame Lebanon cannot rid itself of outside interference. If you are not truly independent from a totalitarian government, you cannot be democratic.</p>
<p>Ur either pro-israel or anti-israel. there is no palestine and never will be. all arabs in israel need to be moved to other arab countries. The UN is the real cause of the so-called refugee problem. The UN needs to stop forcing israel to give up land and instead make the arab countries take in the so-called palestinian refugees and dismantle the refugee camps. then the israeli gov needs to wake up and move all the arabs living in israel to jordan and syria. population transfer isnt wrong. they did it in turkey and greece and in india and pakistan and no one cared. but when israel does it the world calls israel racist.</p>
<p>And now more people my age are becoming anti-israel because of all the propaganda on college campuses. Go to any of those campuses i listed and ask the students if they are pro-israel or anti-israel and ask them why. Face it we have to do something or else it will be the end of israel in the next few years.</p>
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<p>As a Jew, this person is extremely offensive to me. There is nothing in MY religion that could sanction and justify this kind of blatant racism. Though some in Israel, even in the government have this opinion, it is still not the official opinion of the Israeli government and could never be while remaining an ally of the United States. The American Jewish community would never stand for it. </p>
<p>When asked to explain Judaism while standing on one foot, the great sage Hillel replied “That which is hurtful to your neighbor, do not do. The rest is commentary. Now go forth and learn”. </p>
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<p>Hmpf. You’d have to agree that it sure sucks to be of Palestinian decent in Lebanon. Lebanon is not blameless here either. By the third generation, people should have some rights wherever they are living. </p>
<p>Silly me, I fell for it. The OP is obviously a ■■■■■. All of his posts are in THIS thread. </p>
<p>I ask the moderator to please close and this thread.</p>
<p>It depends how you look at it Novi. Fitst of all, outside influence does not merely come from Syria. Other neighboring (Iran, Saudi, the US and Israel) states interfere with Lebanese affairs just as much. </p>
<p>But if the Lebanese truly had no self-determination, the current president would not have been elected. The “opposition” in the last election was far more pro-Syrian and pro-Iranian and yet, the population picked the pro-western candidate by a significant margin. That was as close to a democratic election as they come. And when the opposition lost, they accepted defeat openly.</p>
<p>This said, I agree that foreign powers meddle far too much in Lebanese affairs. That will persist as long as we have corrupt politicians and to a degree, as long as there is unstability in our region.</p>
<p>lol, how is this thread alive? </p>
<p>ahmadinejad University is the answer</p>
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<p>Ahmadinejad was introduced as a “petty and cruel dictator” when he spoke at Columbia</p>
<p>Whether you call me a ■■■■■ or not you cant deny this:</p>
<p>[Confronting</a> Anti-Israel Attitudes on Contemporary College Campuses - Campus Watch](<a href=“http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/1494]Confronting”>http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/1494)</p>
<p>Anti-israel activities in american colleges are huge problems. Students and profs are supporting arab terrorists. Just wait until these people become politicians, lawyers and journalists. Youll be sorry then. Read the article.</p>