<p>The prestige of Penn versus Random State will get you something.</p>
<p>The prestige of Penn versus Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell, etc. will get you diddly.</p>
<p>this is a really stupid thread but let me correct what i was trying to say earlier,</p>
<ol>
<li>penn</li>
<li>hyps</li>
</ol>
<p>Any Ivy/top school will essentially give you access to all the top employers/opportunities. I suppose if you intend to be a PhD, then maybe prestige would be more significant. Other than that, it really doesn’t matter…</p>
<p>agreed. honestly, any ivy league education and top liberal arts college education and mit and stanford, if used correctly, can make you grow and learn more than you thought possible, but there are idiots at all these places who don’t take advantage of it. u just have 2 try to not be one of them!</p>
<p>i personally advocate for the school of hard knocks</p>
<p>actually, choklitrain’s list looks pretty accurate to me (for the most part)</p>
<p>Umm…No.</p>
<p>UC Berkeley is not even close to those other schools on the undergraduate level. If you are in the top 5% of your high school class in the state of CA you have greater than a 60% chance of getting in to Cal (this is coming from the UC handbook). More than 80% of each Berkeley class is from CA. Due to the lack of selectivity and geographic diversity, I find it hard to compare these schools with ivys/other top privates. The UCs may have a lot of undergrad prestige outside of California, but within the state they are seen as relatively safe alternatives.
If we were speaking about graduate schools then Berkeley would absolutely be one of the top schools, but all of the UCs are weaker on the undergrad level.</p>
<p>Also, Michigan does not belong in front of any of those schools. </p>
<p>I don’t mean to pick of public schools, but the undergrad programs just aren’t as selective and prestigious. Other than those three schools I agree with the list that ChoklitRain posted.</p>
<p>actually i made that list pretty randomly, with the only accurate part being Stanford/MIT towards the top, and purposely put Penn behind all of its peers. lol, it’s like people are physically incapable of not reacting to a list.</p>
<p>1 penn
2 penn state
3 harvard and yale
4 everyone else (tie)
n princeton</p>
<p>^ wait how is Princeton behind Penn state.
That’s the only flaw I see</p>
<p>Actually Princeton is behind all the universities.</p>
<p>
Every considered the fact that Berkeley is a state university? Obviously you didn’t. You can’t say that they are weaker because they have to accept more in state students due to the fact that they get funded by the people who live in the state and are thus by law, required to.</p>
<p>Dude I know Berkeley is a state university and I am well aware of why they accept more in state students.</p>
<p>However, just because they have a reason does not mean that its good for the university. Would you rather go to a school that consists of kids nearly entirely from the same state or one that consists of kids all of the country and world? Which one provides a better learning environment?</p>
<p>I am from CA and have a bunch of friends going to Berkeley. It is a great school. Some of Berkeley academic disciplines are really good, engineering for example, but from a comprehensive look it is just not on the same level as Penn and other top privates.</p>