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nspeds - I know you didn't disagree--that was the point. Most people are aware that Harvard, Yale, and Stanford have more prestigious law programs than Columbia. I was simply reminding you that which schools have the best programs wasn't the original topic of this thread.
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<p>Perhaps if I paid more attention I would have understood your initial response. Sorry!</p>
<p>Prestigious is an interesting term...for many people, a graduate of a drama school who is attractive and in a few popular movies has more prestige than a 17 year old with a medical degree from John Hopkins.</p>
<p>If your focus is on prestige, you may have already lost the battle.</p>
<p>An agricultural degree to a farmer from a hungry nation, a community college degree to a family that never had anyone get beyond high school before are forms of prestige.</p>
<p>When it gets down to the final whos is bigger than whos argument...in my book, it depends what you do with it. Remember, there are graduates from Harvard, who are turned away from Harvard Law, while some student from a different Ivy, or Lac or state school gets in...It happens every year...so who has the most prestigious degree at this individual level.</p>
<p>"Again, the top B-schools entering classes are generally 25-35% former engineering undergrads , a remarkable figure when you consider that engineering undergrads comprise a bare 5% of all bachelor's degree recipients in the US."</p>
<p>Engineers get MBAs because they NEED them (so maybe they can do the "work" as you argue, but they don't have any academic background in business so the need the education). Wharton alums don't. B-Schools admit Engineers because that is who is applying. Wharton alums don't need to go back to school to learn what they already learned in undergrad.</p>
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Engineers get MBAs because they NEED them (so maybe they can do the "work" as you argue, but they don't have any academic background in business so the need the education). Wharton alums don't. B-Schools admit Engineers because that is who is applying. Wharton alums don't need to go back to school to learn what they already learned in undergrad.
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<p>Well, see it this way: if you think that MIT engineers don't have the necessary background in the business how would they compete with the business major students from let's say, UT or Cornell, who are vying for Wharton's MBA to give them better leverage. Let's face it, MIT engineers could possibly cram those MBA courses in a few months; the math skill required for Wharton MBA is a child's play for the MIT engineers. They DON'T REALLY NEED the education in business, but what they are looking for is the WHARTON MBA DEGREE. A bit harsh maybe, but this is a reality check.</p>
<p>Yale- LAW!!!
Harvard- Biochemistry</p>
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Engineers get MBAs because they NEED them (so maybe they can do the "work" as you argue, but they don't have any academic background in business so the need the education).
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<p>So if that's true, then why are the management consulting companies and IBanks scooping up so many MIT engineers for analyst positions? These guys are getting the same kinds of jobs as the Wharton BS grads. But why? You said that these MIT engineers don't have the background in business, so why are these MC's and IB's hiring them? Are they being stupid? McKinsey is a big recruiter of graduating MIT engineers. Are you prepared to say that McKinsey is being stupid in hiring all these people that evidently don't have the right business background? </p>
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Wharton alums don't. B-Schools admit Engineers because that is who is applying. Wharton alums don't need to go back to school to learn what they already learned in undergrad.
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<p>So why do many of these Wharton alums later get their MBA's? Are they just wasting their time. Heck, I know quite a few who are getting their MBA's right now at MIT (at the Sloan School). So I guess you would say that these Wharton alums are just being stupid in wasting their time getting their MBA's, is that right?</p>
<p>Sakky, while I don't think the statement that Wharton grads don't need MBA's is true, Wharton is in fact famous for having fewer (percentage-wise) grads go back to b-school compared to its peers. Perhaps this is what the psoter was trynig to convey.</p>
<p>Like I said, I agree with the general concept that Wharton BS grads are well positioned for business careers and some can find success without ever having to get their MBA's. </p>
<p>However, the fact is, plenty of MIT engineers don't get their MBA's either, even because they can't or (more likely) because they don't want to. Some are just not interested in the kinds of careers that the MBA is useful for. Some are able to find success in those careers without an MBA. I know a guy who just got promoted to the associate level at Goldman Sachs without an MBA, but having worked there for a number of years as an analyst. His bachelor's degree is in EECS from MIT. </p>
<p>The point I'm making is that MIT engineering students are comparable to Wharton grads in terms of getting into business careers like consulting and finance. The exact numbers are not important, what is important is that while the Wharton grads may have an advantage in getting such jobs over the MIT engineers, it's not a one-sided rout by any means. The MIT engineers are holding their own. The same thing could be said about non-business, non-engineering roles: once again, the MIT engineers seem to be at no disadvantage (i.e. I've known MIT engineers who have gotten into music or fashion or marketing. Nobody in those fields is going to say "You have the skills we want, but since you have an MIT engineering degree, we're not going to hire you"). </p>
<p>At the same time, it is clearly and completely a one-sided rout when it comes to comparing MIT engineers and Wharton BS grads in terms of getting engineering jobs. Other than the Jerome Fischer dual-degree students, I don't know too many Wharton grads who get engineering jobs every year, but I'm going to go with "zero", and I think I'm going to be pretty close. Now, you might say that that's because the Wharton guys just don't want engineering jobs, and that may well be true. But my point is, even if they wanted it, they couldn't really get it. </p>
<p>To summarize, what I see is that the MIT engineer can potentially get everything and anything that a Wharton BS grad can get. Perhaps not as easily, but it's still possible for him to get. On the other hand, there is clearly one field (engineering) of which Wharton BS will almost certainly never get. Hence, my conclusion is that the MIT engineering degree is a broader and diverse degree, whereas the Wharton BS degree is more specialized.</p>
<p>if a top business firm or company is interviewing, and they came across two candidates who seem about equally qualified, who would they rather hire if we knew that one has a degree from wharton and the other is an engineer from MIT?</p>
<p>It would depend most probably on the nature of the position. If it is more quantitative oriented, then the MIT grad has the upperhand. On the other hand if it takes more general business knowledge and customer relationship, Wharton grad would likely to be the better choice.</p>
<p>Between 30-35% of Wharton alums go back for an MBA. You had posted that 25-35% of all MBA classes are comprised of Engineers. So clearly there is a big difference there. I am not singling out MIT specifically, as you did not state what % of MIT grads go for MBAs. I responded to your post regarding ALL engineers, and compared that to Wharton alums.</p>
<p>If you want to study engineering, by all means go to MIT. I'm just stating the obvious that engineering isn't for everyone in terms of what the curriculum is. A lot of people don't want to go through the MIT curriculum taking all the physics and calc and whatever else I saw on their website. The degrees are very different - regardless of what you say about what they can do afterwards. I'm not going to argue about that anymore because clearly we have a difference of opinion. But I think a business education is more well-rounded and better suited to those who don't want to study engineering but want to end up with the same jobs.</p>
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If you want to study engineering, by all means go to MIT. I'm just stating the obvious that engineering isn't for everyone in terms of what the curriculum is. A lot of people don't want to go through the MIT curriculum taking all the physics and calc and whatever else I saw on their website. The degrees are very different - regardless of what you say about what they can do afterwards. I'm not going to argue about that anymore because clearly we have a difference of opinion. But I think a business education is more well-rounded and better suited to those who don't want to study engineering but want to end up with the same jobs.
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<p>Nobody is saying that engineering is for everybody and nobody is disputing that an engineering degree and a Wharton degree are very different. However, I stand by my central point, which is that I believe that an engineering degree is more flexible and broader-reaching in terms of its future uses than a Wharton business degree. Like I said, a Wharton business degree is (obviously) very useful if you want to get a business job, but not as useful (although still useful) in getting a non-business job, and clearly useless in getting an engineering job. An engineering degree from an elite school is useful in covering all those bases. In other words, a Wharton degree basically disqualifies you from one field (engineering), whereas an MIT engineering degree doesn't disqualify you from any field.</p>
<p>Oxford PPE?</p>
<p>This unspeakably retarded.</p>
<p>This thread is really frivolous, but I'd have to say a Physics Degree from Princeton is pretty darn impressive, especially since so few physics majors at Princeton actually make it through the program (many switch to other majors). If you survive the crazy string-theory antics of people like Prof. Steven Gubser, you'll get a lot of respect, at least from me.</p>
<p>Bridgeport - Criminal Activities</p>
<p>In what way is JHU neurosci prestigious? Are there better neuro programs?</p>
<p>r u kidding Ncody? its all about arkansas pine bluff- nursing major--so good... u can go straight from college to working at a day camp as a nurse- AMAZING!</p>
<p>Take a look at this alumni list. A strong argument could be made for the BSFS degree from Georgetown.</p>
<p>i agree with the above, Georgetown SFS should be in this discussion</p>