@TooOld4School @MrSamford2014 it must depend on the school because my D was waitliated but not admitted to Rice with those stats (2300 SAT, 3.98 UW GPA) - was also not admitted to Cal, Cornell or Chicago. Based on score ranges she was pretty confident of getting into at least 1 or 2 of those 4 so that was a big surprise (she didn’t apply to Vandy or WashU - they didn’t come up on her radar). She didn’t apply anywhere ED though, which in retrospect she should have done. Lesson learned.