Most selective colleges based on SATs

<p>I have no idea what you are talking about, with respect to either of your last two posts.
I think my points have been made clearly enough. I don’t care why Cornell does or doesn’t do certain things, if you think those things are bad make adjustments. My only point is I would like applicants to accurately assess their admissions chances, and for that purpose IMO selectivity assessment is best made by college at multicollege universities which have separate admissions by college.</p>

<p>Done here.</p>

<p>Buh bye…</p>

<p>Taking the midpoints of the 25/75 scores gives a good approximation of the average if it’s not provided. At least close enough that any difference is trivial.</p>

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Right…larger universities should have SAT averages closer to the national average as student population increases - unless there is something attracting “stronger students” via other factors. I modeled SAT scores and UG student population to see which schools are overperforming and underperforming in terms of enrolling high scoring SATers compared to their peers. Berkeley, Michigan, and Cornell did well:</p>

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<p>Actual SAT Avg, UG Student Pop., Predicted SAT Avg., Difference (Actual - Predicted), School
1485, 6678, 1364, + 121, Harvard
1490, 5277, 1373, + 117, Yale
1515, 921, 1398, + 117, Caltech
1485, 4981, 1375, +110, Princeton
1460, 6985, 1363, +97, WUSTL
1445, 8476, 1354, +91, Northwestern
1465, 5065, 1374, +91, U Chicago
1470, 4153, 1379, +91, MIT
1455, 5667, 1370, +85, Columbia
1340, 25151, 1256, +84, UC Berkeley
1425, 9756, 1346, +79, Penn
1400, 13846, 1322, +78, Cornell
1325, 25994, 1251, +74, Michigan
1440, 6496, 1366, +74, Duke
1290, 31417, 1219, +71, Illinois
1270, 34654, 1199, +71, Florida
1435, 6532, 1365, +70, Stanford
1345, 21269, 1278, +67, NYU
1370, 16608, 1306, +64, USC
1230, 40212, 1167, +63, Ohio State
1430, 6095, 1368, +62, Brown
1440, 4147, 1379, +61, Dartmouth
1280, 30750, 1222, +58, Wisconsin
1410, 8363, 1355, +55, Notre Dame
1430, 4774, 1376, +54, Johns Hopkins
1415, 6837, 1364, +51, Vanderbilt
1230, 37389, 1183, +47, Texas
1420, 5044, 1374, +46, Tufts
1290, 26536, 1247, +43, UCLA
1425, 3154, 1385, +40, Rice
1400, 7092, 1362, +38, Georgetown
1245, 32557, 1212, +33, Minnesota
1405, 5214, 1373, +32, Emory
1210, 37988, 1180, +30, Penn State
1275, 26431, 1248, +27, Maryland
1395, 5998, 1369, +26, Carnegie Mellon
1330, 15208, 1314, +16, Virginia
1235, 30912, 1222, +13, BYU
1190, 38430, 1177, +13, Texas A&M
1335, 12973, 1327, +8, Georgia Tech
1300, 17895, 1298, +2, North Carolina
1340, 9060, 1350, -10, Boston College
1370, 3196, 1385, -15, Brandeis
1215, 29397, 1230, -15, Washington
1255, 22518, 1271, -16, UCSD
1345, 5850, 1369, -24, William & Mary
1270, 18534, 1295, -25, Boston U
1225, 25467, 1254, -29, Georgia
1335, 6749, 1364, -29, Tulane
1335, 5394, 1372, -37, Rensaleer
1200, 28031, 1239, -39, Rutgers
1150, 36337, 1190, -40, Michigan State
1260, 17427, 1301, -41, Pittsburgh
1325, 5355, 1372, -47, U Rochester
1285, 10422, 1342,-57, U Miami
1320, 4476, 1377, -57, Wake Forest
1205, 23567, 1265, -60, Virginia Tech
1315, 4876, 1375, -60, Lehigh
1280, 10590, 1341, -61, George Washington
1150, 31761, 1217, -67, Purdue
1150, 31626, 1217, -67, Indiana
1310, 4356, 1378, -68, Case Western
1205, 20823, 1281, -76, Iowa
1195, 22122, 1273, -78, UC Irvine
1175, 24209, 1261, -86, UC Davis
1230, 14713, 1317, -87, Clemson
1200, 18892, 1292, -92, UC Santa Barbara
1210, 16384, 1307, -97, Delaware
1280, 3252, 1385, -105, Worcester
1200, 16765, 1305, -105, U Conn
1245, 6240, 1367, -122, Southern Methodist
1225, 7994, 1357, -132, Fordham
1170, 13651, 1323, -153, Syracuse
1230, 3404, 1384, -154, Pepperdine
1155, 15135, 1315, -160, UC Santa Cruz
1210, 3044, 1386, -176, Yeshiva</p>

<p>Add Human Ecology to the list of Cornell’s colleges that shouldn’t be excluded from an ideal admissions stats analysis.</p>

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<p>I don’t know if you consider 15-20 points trivial, but i have seen differences that high.</p>

<p>UCBChemEGrad - Maybe you posted this somewhere on the thread, but how did you determine who are the “peers”?</p>

<p>^ All schools on the list are the “peers”. I plotted average SAT score versus undergrad population for those schools…then used linear regression to obtain a predicted average SAT score based on UG population.</p>

<p>The SAT scores of Cornell’s A&S are lower than those of the A&S colleges of other ivies (and equivalents). </p>

<p>See below:</p>

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<p>Cornell’s A&S 1405 SAT average is only 5 pts. higher than Cornell’s overall SAT average.</p>

<p>UCBChemEGrad - Thanks! Personally I think it is a pretty liberal definition of peer, comparing Harvard to Worcester (or any number of others on the list, like Georgia, Tulane, Miami, Wake Forest, and on and on), and I also think this WAY overstates the effect of UG population on the scores. But hey, it is just for fun, right?</p>

<p>fallenchemist,</p>

<p>I just used data from those because hawkette had posted it and it was mostly out of convenience…I believe hawkette said it was the Top 75 USNWR national universities.</p>

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Sure, all this stuff is just for fun…but I believe my analysis validates some of my hypotheses:</p>

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<li>Larger student population will approach the national mean on the SAT.</li>
<li>Schools that do well on this list are attracting the higher scoring SAT student…either by offering prestigious academic programs, financial support, or a combination of factors.</li>
<li>Flagship campuses tend to do well because they cannabalize strong students from other schools (i.e UCs) </li>
<li>Dominant flagship state campuses (such as Penn State, Florida, and Illinois) do well…great academics at a cheaper in-state price</li>
<li>Schools that place more emphasis on SAT (i.e. WUSTL) do well compared to schools that have a more holistic evaluation (i.e. Stanford)</li>
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<p>FINALLY!!! </p>

<p>I thought I’m the only one on this forum who thinks this way. ha ha!!!</p>

<p>And here’s for Berkeley:</p>

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<p>Cornell (aka SUNY Ithaca) and UC Berkeley have a lot in common.</p>

<p>15-20 is on the high end–most are within 10 points which I consider trivial out of 1600. So does the College Board. As most schools don’t report averages it’s an easy way to approximate it when looking at a number of schools. You don’t always even know if they are leaving out athletes and other special admit scores or if the superscore so I don’t worry about a few points either way.</p>

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<p>nyccard – up until you called Cornell “aka SUNY Ithaca” I had given you the benefit of the doubt about your impartiality. I was willing to overlook your name calling of monydad, but now I see a pattern.</p>

<p>I don’t understand your antipathy toward Cornell. Care to elaborate?</p>

<p>nyccard wrote: “Berkeley and Cornell (engineering) have a lot in common”.</p>

<p>This appears to be the case. </p>

<p>Cornell 25/75 College of Engineering: 1440
Berkeley 25/75 College of Engineering: 1420 + “superscoring bump” +40 = 1465.</p>

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<p>Although you purposefully misquoted me, I can’t say that I necessarily disagree with this.</p>

<p>Both Berkeley and Cornell (engineering) are very good backups for Stanford, Princeton, MIT and Caltech.</p>

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<p>Apparently, the popular media also views a significant part of Cornell to be “SUNY Ithaca.”</p>

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<p>I would go for Berkeley over Princeton and Caltech, for engineering, as well as, for computer science.</p>

<p>^ Really?? I couldn’t tell that you’re a fan of Berkeley.</p>