Maybe the millienials are just more aware that they were scammed. Seriously, some people just don’t realize it and given it was a survey of people’s own opinions about their own experiences…
Which swings me back to the fake news thing. I have a Facebook friend (old college classmate) who comments about fake and false news but is totally oblivious that the “facts” she likes to put forward are fake. Some people think mainstream news sources are the fake news while thinking their favorite off center blogs are correct.
@droppedit, it was obvious you were telling a joke. I thought it was funny.
As far as social media, as a teacher, I regularly tell my students to look carefully at the source. The problem is the ‘regular’ media of all stripes also engages in innuendo and opinion masquerading as fact, and attacks using ad hominem (calling names) as opposed to using reasoned discourse. I wonder if this has to do with getting more clicks? But sadly, students just copy what they see adults do.
@jym626 Since I am on a personal mission to help eradicate the spreading of false and potentially false info, your chart you’ve linked has no info indicating HOW it was derived, source, data used, nothing. We all (should) know that statistics and graphs can be biased and built on wrong info. Not saying yours is but how the heck would we know given what is shown? So, don’t wag your finger at me since it really doesn’t provide any proof of your stance.
Even if @droppedit was telling a joke, get the info correct.
@doschicos-
Did you read the Forbes magazine article I linked in post # 19 ??? Read it and scroll down… :-? :-w A post apparently popped in between my original post and the pullout of the graph while I was typing,. So, to clarify-- the link to the graph is in the Forbes article. They additionally note:
Again, in the interest of truth, here is all the article says that I can see: “BBB says the new research confirms trends it has seen in BBB Scam Tracker. That’s a crowdsourcing tool, where more than 30,000 consumers have reported scam details to BBB.” Please point out any source of data I might be missing but I don’t see any source or enough info that contradicts what I posted in #23.
@doschicos Well, since you are on a personal mission and in the interest of some “truth”, maybe you can complain to Forbes if you don’t like their graph, and demand more of their references and original sources. Surely they are using fake data [-X :-@ If you are going to demand sources, read the ones linked!! And the link to the BBB source is … again… in the article!! The link doesn’t copy well when put in a quotebox.
Reread my post about data. Garbage in, garbage out. Crowdsourced info isn’t scientifically accurate. Kind of proves the whole point of this thread if you ask me.
Well, guess you’ll just have to rely on the Daily mail for news . There’s are real reliable source. Maybe they use a preferred methodology for their research.
(alert: turn on sarcasm detector).
Edited posts and dismissive emoticons aren’t giving strength to your posts.
The google link you provided - at least all those on the first page which is all I cared to glance at - all point back to the same BBB crowdsourced info referenced in the Forbes article - dozens of articles citing the same source. How does that build strength for your case nor your "search for the “truth” "? It doesn’t.
Crowdsourced info isn’t scientific. Using an online reporting tool will have its own biases, a big one being the young people are more likely to use online reporting tools. More users in a certain age group means more reports in a certain age group but does not necessarily correlate to more victims in a certain age group. It’s an example of survey sampling or response bias.
Look, you can disagree with my statement in post #20. I can have my opinion which I stated, you can have yours which you stated. In the face of concrete and valid data (not crowdsourced), I’m willing to listen and continue a discussion. Trying to beat me over the head with the same repeated info gleaned from a questionable report, editing your posts after mine, using bullying language and dismissive emoticons, is not going to further the discussion or your argument.
This will be my last post on this subject. Happy Thanksgiving!
The emoticons weren’t directed at YOU, @doschicos they were a general response to the discussion and the fact that the millennials are the ones being scammed. Its not all about you. What was dismissive was your series of demands and accusations in your " personal mission" without obviously even having read the Forbes article in the post which would have made it clear that the chart was from that linked article. A simple mea culpa was all that was needed. Trying to rationalize this away by redirecting the discussion to your dislike of BBB’s methods is quite transparent. Reminds me somewhat of Roseanne Rosannadanna. Never mind.
Its ok to use a self reported salary survey, but not a self reported scam victim survey. I see. If you think the wsj article YOU posted in a thread you started the other day is “true news” then so is this. Fine. Its all good. They are no different. And the edited post was to give you the link to the BBB link. Sorry to try to be be helpful. Other edits are mostly for the constant (#*%(#$&#)$& autocorrects.
Now the spaghetti tree story… I was in grad school when that was first reported. Waaaay before social media. It was funny how people believed it. And it was on April Fools day. That was a hint!! Those who like to relay history stories could probably (please don’t) bring up Orson Wells’ War of the Worlds story as an example of fake news.
As for the google link-- there are 10+ pages. If you don’t choose to look past page one, then please don’t dismiss what may or may not be out there. Feel free to research it yourself.
can you two take it outside please?
sheesh…
the article was about how todays TEENAGERS and kids younger than that are NOT developing the tools to discern fact from fiction in what they read online.
Lets try and discuss what can be done about that , S’il vous plaît…
. The article also references a couple, the Secors, in NC who have kids 20, 18 and 16. Its not just about “teenagers and kids younger”. Its important to read psst the title and few paragraphs. That’s the whole point. Forming opinions without reading critically is ill advised at any age.
BTW, @menloparkmom - will be in your fair city later today. We could discuss this over a cuppa coffee, if the offspring don’t have us too busy with activities.
I think some of the problem is students/people who read the headlines then don’t really read the article. There have been numerous times a headline will make an assertion and upon reading the article you realize there is very little to prove their argument, some don’t even try. My belief is that students today really don’t need to work to search for information. When I was a student and needed source material I went to the library, usually started with encyclopedias then moved on from there for my research. Most of the information had been edited. Today I believe many expect instant information. Much of the information we get has not been edited and the younger generation has not been trained to vet it.
Neither of my kids have had to do the type of research that was fairly common place when I was in both HS and college. I remember having to name each source and the page numbers. Today students often don’t leave their dorm rooms to do their research. I think professors are less demanding in requiring sources for the students information. Since information is so easy to come by students haven’t developed the skills or the patience to determine it’s validity.
We used to laugh at supermarket tabloids for this exact thing. The internet multiplies the impact of a false or misleading headline like this tremendously. ; When you add in confirmation bias, the impact is even greater. I think educating kids on how to evaluate news is the only solution.
By the way, it’s my anecdotal observation that senior citizens are getting harder to scam, probably because they are deluged with efforts to scam them. I’m not quite a senior citizen yet, but am I really going to fall for the 50th phone call from “Martin” trying to say that I previously bought Viagra from his company?
Seriously, some people just don’t realize it and given it was a survey of people’s own opinions about their own experiences…
