MT advice/thoughts Class of 2021

Hi - my son has been accepted to a few programs for MT/theatre and I wanted to hear pros & cons that may help with the final decision. He is looking for a program that is highly focused in performance and less academic. He has 8 years acting training, 5 years private vocal - classical, little dance training. He is strongest in voice, then acting, little dance (he is not a triple threat). He attends a performing arts hs and has had the leads for the past 3 years. He is a very hard worker and wants a very challenging program that will make you work hard. He’s a serious kid with little patience for fooling around when it comes to performance.

Accepted:
UArts - BFA MT
Baldwin Wallace - BA Theatre
Point Park - BA Theatre
Shenandoah - BM Vocal Performance
Rider - BA Theatre

Waiting to hear from:
Montclair - BFA MT
Hartt - BFA MT
Boston Conservatory - BFA MT

As someone who majored in theater and ultimately did not end up making my career there, I’d say as a general piece of advice, go for a BA over a BFA – if he does make a life in the theater, no one cares about the difference, but if he (like many others in this field) decides it’s not the life for him, he has a decent educational background from which to consider other choices. (I get that he wants “less academic” but if he doesn’t end up a Broadway star, might he wish he learned how to write a good paper or how to do trigonometry…?)

Theater is really one of those fields where training may be the smallest piece of the puzzle. College is about a lot more than an eventual job, and while a BFA may feel great at the time, it narrows the scope of your experience considerably. Just MHO, of course. Congrats to your son on having so many great choices!

yankeeinGA, thank you for the advice. As a parent, I am hugely concerned about having a “plan B”. I am hoping that teaching theatre or voice may be an option for him (just in case being a working actor doesn’t pay the bills). Do you know if a BFA or a BA is better for teaching or the business aspects of the industry - or do you really need a MFA or MA? He will definitely find a career of some sort within this industry. I really don’t see him having interest in much else. Thx again.

First off, congrats on his wonderful acceptances.
All of the auditions, etc. couldn’t have been easy…

I would suggest that you check to see which of these schools have a senior showcase, and of equal importance, where the showcase is held.
Then check the successes, or even just the career outcomes, of students who have graduated from the programs.

Has your son visited?
Other than within the schools’ MT/theater departments, can theater been seen in the surrounding area?
How active are the related arts at the school? If the school has an active Film program, for example, do they typically use theater students in their productions?
Can he Major and minor, or is the BFA all-encompassing?

For teaching, he will likely need a MA or MAT.
Some schools offer a one year MAT add-on which would provide both degrees in five years.

Hi hop, the audition process is quite overwhelming to say the least. My son loved the audition process (good thing since he will need to audition for every job for the rest of his life). I, on the other hand, have aged at least 10 years through this process! ugh.

Thank you for the good points to research. There are a few things I haven’t thought about such as the showcases and opportunity to minor with the BFA, or a one year MT or MAT. He has visited most of the schools but the location and campus are last on his list of interest. He’s really focused on the curriculum and opportunity the schools offer.

Thx again - I have a lot to look into with him.

Check through the curriculum at each school carefully to see if the course schedule matches your expectations for training and development in theatre performance. A BFA program typically includes 80-90 hours in the major with a focus on performance-related training, including 15+ hours of dance, 7-8 semesters of private vocal training, 3-4+ semesters of acting studio courses, music theory and keyboard skills development, music theatre workshop courses, etc. There is typically little room for minors or double majors (unless the student comes in with a lot of AP or dual enrollment credits).

A BA program will have around 60 hours in the major and is likely to have fewer (in many cases, far fewer) hours of performance-related training and more hours of general theatre studies in stagecraft, theatre history, playwriting, directing, etc. At some schools BA students may take performance-related courses with the BFA students, in others these options are limited or prohibited. In many cases private voice can be arranged through the theatre or music departments, but not always with the MT voice faculty. In addition, dance coursework options may be more limited. A BA program does provide more options for non-theatre related coursework, minors, double-majors, etc.

BA students are, in some or many cases, cast less frequently (sometimes far less frequently) in shows than BFA students (where there is a BFA program).

A BM in Vocal Performance is going to include a lot of coursework in music theory, pedagogy, foreign language diction, etc. and generally does not include dance and acting coursework, although at some programs it is possible to fit some of those classes into the curriculum.

Look through the course catalogs, contact the programs, and carefully assess which ones meet your goals and expectations for training and performance opportunities.

UArts has an excellent BFA program.

What you will need to do is sit down with him and go through the curriculum carefully for each school and each program that he was admitted to. There is really no other way to do it. Going through the curriculum will let you see which programs look like a better fit for him. They do lay everything out and tell you about the classes, how many liberal arts credits vs major credits, etc. Most BFA MT programs do not have room for a minor, so if that is important then look more closely at the BA programs. You have some great options to choose from!

Just my opinion: From the way you’ve described your son and what he wants, out of your current acceptances, I would say the UArts BFA most meets what he is looking for. It also has a great dance program which it sounds like your son would benefit from if he has little dance background. I think any of the 3 you are waiting on would also meet that bill.

If he was to stay in the theater industry, having a BFA would be fine. And even if he wanted to go be a doctor or lawyer, he can still do that with a BFA undergrad degree. Like a student with any sort of liberal arts degree (English, French, Economics, Anthropology, etc…) he might have to go back and take a few prerequisites in order to do so (i.e. sciences for med school) but there is no reason he wouldn’t be able to. He still has a 4 year degree. And if he is looking for a career in theatre, a BFA degree from any of those schools would be well received.

If he truly wants to perform, I would have reservations about the BA programs at schools that also have BFAs. I would get good feedback on if and how much BAs get cast.

I have printed out the curriculum for the schools for him to review and decide. I omitted the degree and school name because I don’t want him to focus on college name or degree but to truly like the curriculum. I think he is determined to have the BFA so I’m glad to hear that UArts has an excellent program.

Any downside to UArts that we should be aware of?

Some additional thoughts…

Make sure to follow up with the schools directly about curriculum. At some schools it is usual for students to take many more classes within the major than are required… for example, where I teach 62 credits are required for the major, but almost all students are graduating with 75 - 90 credits in the major. However, because only 62 are required in the major it is also slightly easier for the motivated student to compete a double major or minor, and there is also flexibility for an interested student to take course in allied areas like playwriting, directing, songwriting, devising, etc… This will not be the case at all schools, so it is good to ask.

I agree with @vvnstar, for the schools on you list where he has been admitted to the BA, but they also have a BFA program contact the schools directly to ask how the BA students and the BFA students interact in terms of access to classes, faculty, performance opportunities.

In terms of a “plan b” … If he wants to teach fulltime he would need teacher certification (k-12), or an advanced degree (MFA or Phd) to teach at the college level for the most part. However, many working performing artists supplement their performing with freelance teaching and coaching, being a teaching artist, etc…

All of the schools on his list are strong. It is really about finding the school that will provide him the educational opportunities he is seeking over the next four years.

Just a thought… my D is in a bfa mt program with a conservatory emphasis inside a university. She came in with a lot of AP credit so she has most of the gen eds covered. Because of this, she is able to minor in business for the performing arts. This way she has a back up plan. Consider looking into a minor option at the schools he’s looking at for the Plan B your son is looking for.

mysonggirl, may I ask which school she attends?

@Anne800 I will inbox you

People have already given excellent advice, so I don’t have much to add in that way. However, my D is thrilled with her education at UArts, where she is a sophomore MT major; feel free to PM me with further questions if you’d like.

My D wanted the same things you described your S wants. When she was considering her accepted schools, her coach told her that one benefit to UArts is that she would be surrounded by other mostly driven (in a positive way) people focused on their art, and she was right. (She phrased it so much better than I’m remembering right now, but I hope you get the gist.) It was something that was obvious during our visit there (and continues to be), especially during the performance we viewed: the audience members were and are incredibly supportive and into the performances, which is just a sign of the support and passion there. It was incredible to witness the first time and continues to please me. If this is the type of environment he wants (and it sounds like it is), will he be satisfied with a BA at the schools on his list which offer a BFA?

UArts students are given a lot of flexibility within their curriculum. For example, if your S decides he’d like to dabble in or focus on playwriting on top of MT, he can. (I offer this as an example because it’s something my D has been encouraged by faculty members to do–which also points to the attention that the faculty gives the students; individualized education is a priority.) Would he be able to minor in science or business, etc., at UArts if we wants to do something like that as a plan B? Probably not (and I assume a minor would be difficult or impossible at the other schools he’s waiting on unless he has AP or dual enrollment credits–but I can’t be sure). He could take, for example, some business courses at UArts, though, if that would be interesting to him–or other fields that he may want to concentrate on a bit outside of MT–if that’s what he wants.

My D entered UArts as a strong student concerned with intellectual as well as artistic development. She was an excellent writer who found her writing professor to be helpful in advancing her writing skills. To be honest, my D thought that her one other writing prof did not help her writing skills as much, but that can happen at all colleges. She has felt that she has been challenged academically, especially within her major, and that she’s grown intellectually and academically. I’ve actually seen that growth, too. (I specifically addressed writing as a response to another poster–not to take away from her obviously valid experience, but to offer another one.)

I believe that the other schools you and your S are waiting to hear from would fit what your S is looking for, also. (My D auditioned for 2 of the 3, so we had looked at curriculums, etc., of those schools.)

Good luck with the decision, and, as I said, feel free to PM me!

@vvnstar thats correct I’m a BA at a college with accompanying BFA programs and I agree that BA degrees rarely get cast in productions, and in my case there’s even MFA actors in the mix, There are some wonderful actors there but I’ve worked with alot of BA’s that show around the same talent but since the BFA and MFA have more contact with the faculty directing the shows they will get cast more. and thats why I’m leaving the school to do the audition process over again next year for more of a performance education

We have been told literally numerous times to avoid BA theatre programs in schools that are known for their MT. Like as tempting as it may be to go into the BA general theatre dept when and if you are denied into MT, just because of school name and reputation, etc, this is not a good move if you want to have equal opportunities to perform etc. Now if you genuinely want the BA Theatre because that is what you want the general theatre major then thats fine but not if you are always going to pine for MT.

Thank you, everyone. A lot of good advice and many things pointed out that I hadn’t thought about. I think he will be making a decision this weekend once he finishes reviewing the curriculums of the schools. It’s exciting but so stressful at the same time. Thx again.

I may be PMing some of you once he decides. :slight_smile:

@anne800 I would encourage you to wait till all offers are on the table. I agree with what the other poster said BFA MT looks like what you’re looking for. I would also look at any artistic and merit money you might get. It’s always nice to go where you are wanted

There are some really good faculty at UArts and there are a TON of performance opportunities in the area. If musical theatre is his passion, I would say you have a really good option. If he wants to be an opera singer, the BM in performance is the path. If he wants to be part of the theatre community, he needs a theatre degree.

~VT

I have basically the same question about my daughter. My wife and I are in the sciences and have almost no ability to counsel our daughter in this strange world. We are from a small community and she has had to do almost all of it herself (with some fine teachers along the way). She hasn’t had the opportunity to do any dance until this year. She has been selected to state and national choirs for singing and will be competing in the national Shakespeare competition in May. I tend to think she was strong in vocal and drama performance but suspect the dance was less stellar. She is also a very good student with lots of AP credits but she is committed to pursuing this with vigor (not worrying about any fallback position) and I am encouraging this as she’s young and I want her to pursue this dream whole-heartedly. I have looked at each school’s curriculum and each of them can point to the successes of their graduates. She loves musical theater but it seems as though there would be a lot more work for a regular actress. I am hoping for some feedback as to the quality of the training at each institution and the ability to be seen and perform and the ability to be signed with an agent and work in the industry. We will be visiting all of the programs again this month and I would like to be able to speak with the directors with a little more information and confidence prior to our visits.

MT Acceptances:

UARTS- She loves the vibe of the place but I am concerned with the large number of students and the ability to get individual attention and performance training

Marymount Manhattan- New York program. She loved the location but wasn’t happy with the audition process and didn’t get a warm feeling from (actually was a little put off by) the auditors. As with UARTS, I am concerned about the performance opportunities and ability to get feedback

Molloy/Cap21- The back and forth from Long Island concerns me and I’m not sure how the change from NYU affiliation to Molloy affects the ability to get seen

Waitlist- Emerson- She loves the location. Felt the teachers to be a little aloof

Waiting on SUNY-Fredonia admission- In-state tuition covered by honors- Close location- Knows several of the students already there.

BFA Acting Re-directs

Baldwin-Wallace- Amazing MT program. BFA program just started last year. The two programs are a campus apart geographically- wonder how far apart they are in reality…

Otterbein- Strong reputation for both MT and Drama. Campus seems like a commuter school. Wonder how different the MT and Drama programs are in reality when it comes to being a professional actor.

Sorry if that was long but I’ve been thinking about this a lot… Thank you for any insight you can give