MT in California?

<p>Going back the original poster's comment "s is interested in mt and classical opera". I think that's what originally drove the original MT/opera comment. Yes, there are schools where kids are encouraged (or required) to cross over between MT and classical. OCU is one, as is BW. Probably most of the BM based programs. There are others where it would not be allowed. Not to say that everyone has to have classical chops to do MT, but if a student has the pre-college training, and the desire, then that should certainly be one of their criteria in college selection.</p>

<p>And, I agree with soozievt that programs have different curricula and philosophies, which don't make them wrong - just better "fits" for some kids.</p>

<p>That said, especially when you go beyond the schools most talked about on this list, there can certainly be a wide diversity in the amount of vocal training included in the program. When ocuMTinfo said
"I know of a couple of friends at other MT schools who learn 5 songs each semester for their rep. They choose whatever they want and it's all MT music." I totally believe that can occur, and that is the kind of kid that I was referring to - if they don't have the knowlege, exposure, etc. to a wide variety of MT material from all eras, and they don't have a ton of guidance in song selection, they can end up limiting themselves.
Vocaldad - JRB really seems to resonate with young performers, because as a contemporary guy, he is speaking more "in their voice". And, I agree, many of his songs are fabulous for their acting potential. I think the men's material is possibly not as overdone as the ladies', but if I were you, I think I may still try to find a different college audition song, OR at least make sure you find something much, much, MUCH earlier to balance it. Using for other auditions, I think he's fine.</p>

<p>Wow - this is an interesting discussion and not at all about MT in CA!</p>

<p>Two things it brings to my mind. My son likes JRB also, and I think we heard that one should not use his songs at auditions because they are too hard for the accompanist to play, which we also heard about Sondheim. I hope I'm not getting my composers mixed up! My son enjoys music by both of these men. He also knows much more about it than I do.</p>

<p>In the discussion about MT programs, it's funny how we visited and looked at schools over about a 2 year period, and it is just now coming to light how different they all are in program offerings. We are so impressed with so many schools and think that many of them are wonderful. I can absolutely agree that what is best for one student may be totally different than what is best for another student. There are really no "best" programs but just different programs. I would encourage people following in our footsteps to concentrate on understanding the offerings and focuses of a program when you are visiting schools. Get down to details - what is studied in private voice lessons, how often and how long are the voice lessons, don't just ask if they get to take private voice.</p>

<p>Let me give you a few examples - for kids wanting MT - Student A wants to focus more on dance and is in love with Point Park, Student B wants that classical music focus and is determined to go to OCU, and Student C really wants to focus on acting in a program and is dying to get into Ithaca. I know that these are real examples of real people. These are just examples, and there are so many more.</p>

<p>You should still choose a wide range to audition for because the odds may be really bad at your favorite school. For example, it seems that CMU is a favorite of many kids who attend the summer program, but the reality is that hardly any of them will actually get into the selective college program.</p>

<p>Thank you all for getting it! Everyone had their own opinions. Everyone has their own ideas of the "perfect" MT program. That's why people come here..to hear others ideas. No one's opinion is more valid than anothers. All I shared was an opinion. As valid one as anyone elses. Whether or not you agreed with my opinion or analogy, I'm happy we were able to have this information discussion.</p>

<p>Vocal can also vary within a program. My D went (for a very short time) to a program where the voice teachers were from their music deparment. Some of the students had teachers who taught a great deal of mt repetoire (sp?)*. Others, like the one my D had, was completely classical. When my D walked in, the teacher expected her to already know how to read music. When my D told her that the MT students were supposed to learn that in the second year, she was told she'd have to learn in quickly on her own, since the voice teacher didn't have time to go over all that with her! Also told her that she didn't teach mt music, only classical. Needless to say, my D was miserable and left, but my point is....Even within a program, teachers can have a different "approach", but hopefully, the department has agreed on ONE philosophy. *I even tried to look up this one, but can't figure out how to spell it correctly - sorry!</p>

<p>"repertoire" - you were only missing one letter.</p>

<p>Thanks Doctor John! I believe possibly my Joisey accent causes me to pronounce the word incorrectly! (I know - that's just an excuse for being ignorant.)</p>

<p>Going back a few posts re. JRB and Sondheim songs -- the conventional wisdom is not to use them for auditions because, as Ericsmom said, the accompaniment is very demanding. So many great, great songs from those two composers, but no sense alienating an accompanist!!</p>

<p>Hi - I agree with much of what's been said - about style and range of exposure, etc. I don't know if you ever read what I have written about Jason Robert Brown's music - but if you have - I want you to know - I love his stuff. I think he is an exciting voice in today's MT scene. My only concern with his music - as audition material - is that it is often rythmically complex. This adds a "degree of difficulty" factor to the audition - and most auditioners are nevous enough to begin with - no need to have unnecessary added complications to the mix. I say choose an interesting song you can be comfortable and confident with. In my experience - it is better to stay way from a good bit JRB's and Sondheim's material.</p>

<p>What if you KNEW the accompanist could handle it, and you have a JRB song in your book? would you still be better off choosing a different audition piece?</p>

<p>While there is the concern of the pianist - my main concern is for the auditioner. The complicated musical structure is another hurdle upon which one might trip. But if you are absolutely comfortable with the piece and are sure you can "knock it out of the park" every time - hey, go for it! It is rather like singing someone's signature song - if you can sing "Don't Rain on My Parade" as good or better than Streisand - go for it! There are things you can do to lessen pressure on yourself - or you can increase the difficulty factor - but if you can honestly pull it off - it could be impressive.</p>

<p>Hey,</p>

<p>I’m currently a BFA Musical Theatre major at BoCo (Which I love), but our program has a cut program and I want to be ready if by some chance I get cut. My dream is to be an actor for TV & Film, but I want a Musical Theatre focus since I want to hone all my skills. What California Schools do you recommend and also I got into AMDA NY BFA before but turned it down for Boco. I was wondering if the AMDA LA Musical Theatre Program has a bad rep there since the NY one seems to have one. Thanks.</p>

<p>It would seem to me that you are confused . This is the discussion site for UCLA and not AMDA. There is no comparison between the two schools. I have a current soon to be senior at BoCo and I think you are jumping the gun regarding the jury in the sophomore year. Barely any students are given notice and those that are put on notice comes as no suprise. You will be given plenty of opportunity to work on improving your grade. You will be juried at the end of each year and these are very constructive because the write ups can point out areas to work on.The promotionals are put in place to help direct the students because after 2 years the students and the faculty can see if the discilpine of a BFA in MT is working for you. Wouldn’t you want to know that ? A number of students did leave at the end of the sophomore year but they had developed other interests and transfered to other programs. There are transfers happening all along so that is to be expected.</p>

<p>MusicalAsian - you are indeed on the wrong thread as dieselbt point out. </p>

<p>I just wanted to point out that AMDA is simply not very competitive to get into. This may change at some point, but it is what it is right now. AMDA also has a very aggressive way of marketing themselves, throwing around names of celebrity “alumni” that perhaps took a class at some point. </p>

<p>Unfortunately this tends to rub people the wrong way, as many feel that a good program should not really feel the need to embellish itself. That said, and in spite of their marketing strategy, we have some extremely talented friends who teach at AMDA, who are great mentors. </p>

<p>UCLA is a great school, but with high academic entry requirements; I don’t think transferring from a conservatory environment would be possible for lack of academic credits. You would probably look at starting anew (just in case you were considering that).</p>