<p>Well, in the case of California's 25th district, there is only one nomination per academy this year. So, speaking from that viewpoint, I concluded that drbones would be the primary nomination, although I do not know where he hails from.</p>
<p>Drbones - there is another thread on here that goes deep into the statistics so I'll be brief...based on the profile numbers, there are more noms than triple Q's. I suppose that there are some triple Q's who do not get noms but I think it is safe to assume that most triple Q's have noms!</p>
<p>drbones - the way to find out if your Congressman ranks is to call the Office and ask them. That's the way to find out - and they are used to the question. I asked our Congressman's office that question once upon a time and learned it's more and more unusual for MOC to rank their slots as USNA much prefers that they don't. So don't hesitate to pick up the phone and find out.</p>
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How would I find out if my congressman ranks? I did recieve a letter saying that I did recieve a nom. The letter said nothing about being an alternate or a primary, how can I find this out and/or if my congressman ranks his noms?
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<p>Call and ask- some will tell you, many will not. Either way, it is what it is, and knowing is not always a help, IMHO.</p>
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<p>If you recieve a letter stating you received a nomination, then you have just that- a nomination. Do not assume anything, particuarly that you are the primary candidate! </p>
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<p>only one nomination for each academy? WOW!!!! What- no one applied? Oh my!!!! What is up with that?</p>
<p>Hmmmm...well, there are times when candidates from one state get a nomination from a MOC from another area.....not sure how that happens, but "shopping around" does happen...</p>
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I suppose that there are some triple Q's who do not get noms but I think it is safe to assume that most triple Q's have noms...
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<p>True, and not true. Unfortunately, there will be a lot of triple-q'd candidates without noms..... and about 3500 or so with one....and out of THAT pool will come the 1250-or-so offers of appointment....</p>
<p>and out of the 1250 will be 200-or-so from NAPS, and another 60-or-so from the foundation program that have "seats" in the upcoming class providing they complete their programs successfully- and most do! So the "new offers" are targeted towards a yield of 1000.....give or take....</p>
<p>it can drive you nuts if you let it....
but then again that is part of the process- how many are motivated to see it all through- to hang on- to work harder and harder- to not settle-
and there are kids applying for the second, and even third time....</p>
<p>not for the faint of heart!</p>
<p>What the heck?! Triple q's w/o noms...noms w/o triple q's...primary noms...alternate noms...</p>
<p>I'm thinking Las Vegas should get in on this and handicap the process, decide odds and candidates and their parents can wager accordingly.</p>
<p>Navy2010, you wrote: </p>
<p>"Unfortunately, there will be a lot of triple-q'd candidates without noms..... and about 3500 or so with one....and out of THAT pool will come the 1250-or-so offers of appointment...."</p>
<p>I thought there were only 1900 triple Q'd with noms and 1500 offers of appointments. Do you have new numbers?</p>
<p>The class profile doesn't specify if those 1900 got noms or not....onily that they were triple Q'd.</p>
<p>I beleive that at the class of 2010 Parents brief when they went through the class profile it was stated that of the 3,751 nominees, 1888 were triple Q'd.</p>
<p>If you look at the wording of the Class of 2010 profile on the USNA admissions page it says: "Nominees qualified scholastically, medically and in physical aptitude ............... 1,888"</p>
<p>As Navy2010 pointed out, and non of us will ever know, is out of the 7,000 who do not get nominations, how many were triple Q'd. The academy does not give you that information in it's break down of the profile and you can not draw any conclusions from the numbers that they do provide. From the conversations that took place at the CVW there probably are a good number that are triple Q'd without nominations.</p>
<p>So....perhaps many are 3Q and don't get noms. But what about the 4,000 who get noms; I concluded that of that pool only 1888 also were 3Q. </p>
<p>Profmom I think you're saying that there's no way to draw that conclusion.</p>
<p>Drbones are you a candidate or parent?</p>
<p>"So....perhaps many are 3Q and don't get noms. But what about the 4,000 who get noms; I concluded that of that pool only 1888 also were 3Q. </p>
<p>sealion: you don't need to conclude anything. Read the profile: of the 3751 nominees, 1888 were triple Q'd. It says so in black and white!</p>
<p>AGAIN: If you look at the wording of the Class of 2010 profile on the USNA admissions page it says:
Number of applicants with an official nomination:3,751
Nominees qualified scholastically, medically and in physical aptitude:1,888" </p>
<p>What you can't conclude is how many of the 7000 who do not get nominations were triple Q'd, the profile never tells you that statistic.</p>
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Navy2010, you wrote: </p>
<p>"Unfortunately, there will be a lot of triple-q'd candidates without noms..... and about 3500 or so with one....and out of THAT pool will come the 1250-or-so offers of appointment...."</p>
<p>I thought there were only 1900 triple Q'd with noms and 1500 offers of appointments. Do you have new numbers?
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<p>What you need to keep in mind is several things-</p>
<p>First, each MOC can nominate up to 10 candidates for each opening at an academy....most MOC have at least one opening per year, with a second opening every 4 years IF they get a candidate accepted from their constitutancy each year....so lets say they do just that....there are 2 senators from each state (over 100 right there), and how many MOC????...several hundred at last count... Lets say each has one open slot.....times that by 10 nominations per slot....you end up with close to 4000 nominations if you add in the 100 or so from the president and 10 from the VP.....not to mention the noms from the Supe himself.....</p>
<p>Second, at the time of the nominations the MOC will not know if any given candidate is triple q'd or not.....with HIPPA laws in effect, it would be unlawful for any MOC to know of your DoDMERB results.....so yes, candidates that are not "triple q'd" can, and do, get nominations, that, unfortunately, will not go forward.</p>
<p>What you CAN conclude is that from the 4000 or so candidates that get nominated, a further filtering out of those triple q'd will further narrow down the selection pool considerably.</p>
<p>In the end, you will need a nom and you will need to be triple q'd (you will not all get a letter telling you that you are, by the way)....</p>
<p>and ProfMom is correct....there might be triple-q'd candidates that do not get a nomination......again remember, the MOC will not know of your status in MOST cases..... </p>
<p>having said that, however, rumor has it the USNA does provide the MOC with a listing of those candidates that are of interest to them.....based on various factors....academics, outstanding leadership, athletics..... just as any other highly selective college will have their list of top prospects.....what the MOC does with that is purely up to the MOC...........most MOC nominating committees (the folks that actually will interview you) will be kept blind to that list.....but you never know, and it is highly doubtful anyone is telling!</p>
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What the heck?! Triple q's w/o noms...noms w/o triple q's...primary noms...alternate noms...</p>
<p>I'm thinking Las Vegas should get in on this and handicap the process, decide odds and candidates and their parents can wager accordingly.
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<p>Which is exactly why I keep coming back to the same point....</p>
<p>This is a difficult process.
It may or not be fair, but it is what it is.
It is not in your control.
Some great kids will get turned away.
Some less than stellar ones will slip through and make it in.
Worrying about it, trying to figure out the system, worse yet, trying to manipulate it, are exercised in futility that will drive you nuts.</p>
<p>The alternative: (IMHO):</p>
<p>Focus on what IS in your control.
Bring YOUR best effort to the table.
Stay focused on your academics....right up to your very last quiz/test/final of senior year.
Retake the SATS again if you think you can get them higher.
Give it your all in your ECA's....you don't need a lot of them, but make your participation in the few you select out really count for something.
Make a difference.
Practice your interviewing skills- over and over.
Read everything you can about the academy experience that you can get your hands on.
Visit. Visit again. Attend summer camp. Attend summer seminar. Attend a CVW if invited. Visit as often as you can, and with a critical eye-and ear.
Ask questions- lots of them.
Visit other schools- research them just as thoroughly- pick out the ones that are a "Best fit" for you and apply to them. Have a plan B, C and D.
Be persistant.
Be thorough.
Be accurate.
Be honest- not only with the admissions boards, but with your parents...and most importantly, with yourself.
Say a prayer.
Have faith.
You will end up where you are meant to be.</p>
<p>One final thought- the USNA is not for everyone. Some will even get there and decide in a few short days to walk away. Make sure this is what you want, not what your parents want, or uncle joe retired and decorated Admiral wants for you, but what you want. You will be taking this journey alone- granted with lots of support, but you will be the one getting pushed-and pushing yourself- beyond what you ever imagined. If you don't want this deep down, then getting through the mental rigors, the fatigue of 5am PEP, the countless chow calls, the dark ages.....will be that much harder. This is your life to live, and you only get one crack at it, so make it count.</p>
<p>And if the USNA is still on the top of your list having done all of this, then by all means go for it.....again if you have to.....</p>
<p>Best of luck!</p>
<p>Profmom, sorry that I offended you...I was musing rather then directly confronting you but tone doesn't communicate well, I guess. Grace goes a long way, tho. :)</p>
<p>I did receive a nomination for USNA; if i do not receive any nominations for the other academies, do i still have a chance to get into their prep school program?</p>
<p>Amen to grace. God's riches at Christ's expense. (Forgive me. I know that's PI. ) Thanx for lots of grace though. </p>
<p>While I'm disinclined to think that there are "meant to be's" and "not meant to be's", I'm fully inclined to believe that His grace offers plans B, C, D, etc. if needed. And His don't quit @ Z.</p>
<p>Btw, merry Christmas to all. Hope it was good and in its spirit.</p>
<p>Hey, I'm a "member." They really make you work for it here. Maybe to help one develop writing skills??</p>
<p>sealion you certainly did not offend me, I was more confused as to what I had copied from the USNA web page that could have been misinterepted. No Harm No Foul...</p>
<p>As far as other Academy Prep Preograms, we have a friend who did not get a nomination for West Point 2009. West Point worked with the family and he was offered a spot in one of thier foundation programs in Alabama. This young man went to Marion however midway through the year decided it was not for him and is now in a ROTC program at a major university. Don't know if this is unusual or the norm, just that it happened to one individual.</p>
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<p>hmmmm.......
great question!</p>
<p>Honestly, don't know the answer to this one- I know our son had a nom for USNA and got the nod for foundation offer, a nom for west point and got a direct appt, and a nom for USMMA with an offer of admission there.....
but not sure if he NEEDED a nom for the foundation program.....or Naps for that matter.....hmmmmm.....</p>
<p>perhaps calling your BGO will shed some light?</p>
<p>Anyway, you already have your nom for USNA, so why even bother worrying about the other ones? ;) GO NAVY! :)</p>
<p>Okay, another one of the "needy, not the greedy" stories. My son's friend from high school got a call from Sen. Boxer's office stating his interview was cancelled since he had received a congressional nomination (although not to his first choice, but his second). They said since he had one, he didn't want to be greedy, did he? They actually asked him that. They need to get rid of that guy who keeps doing this. Or tape his mouth shut. He could have a better response other that greedy/needy stuff. It's getting old!</p>
<p>oh my! </p>
<p>I hope he reminded the MOC office that he was still in persuit of his first choice school!</p>
<p>No, he didn't. By the time he called my son to tell him, my son told him to call them back (their office was closed by this time) and ask to keep his appt. When he did, the next day, his appt. was already taken by someone else. </p>
<p>I just love CA. That's the reason my son didn't put in for a senatorial nom. He got the congressional one, instead, which he ain't complaining about, but the way that the senator's office handles these things is beyond comprehension.</p>
<p>My son received rejects letters from Senator Allen, Senator Warner, and Congresswoman Davis stating essentially that they are not able to give nominations to any applicants who already have an offer of appointment to a service academy or a nomination from another source. There are so many applicants to service academies in Virginia that the MOCs want to spread the wealth around. One of my son's classmates was offered an interview by Senator Allen for the Merchant Marine Academy; she respectfully declined because USNA is her first choice. Out of 291 applications received by Senator Allen, 155 were for the Naval Academy. Twenty of those applicants were granted interviews; ten received nominations.</p>